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  • Coming back to a Classic
    It was sitting in my hard drive (with the YT id thankfully, Nikoniko is still down) and felt I need to share.
    I'm convincing myself listening to this stuff is nessessary to make my own music, it certainly gets me in the right headspace. I'm not being very attentive in my listening study for this one, however.
    Any recommendations with recording Taishogoto? I'm still wraping my head around the new musical notation. Not sure what it is but 1 is not the Tonic note the goto is tuned at, it's A while it's tuned at E4 and E3. I figured it would be like a piano note scale which I'm familiar with. Now I have to think of Sharps being piano white keys and vise versa. Also clueless as to what effects goes well with it in the daw.
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    Record in a enclosed space with tons of fabrics. If you simply record in a room the sound will be reflected by the walls and make your recordings with a worse quality. A closet is great for that, but you can also do it under a table or under your bed, just set your materials to make your sound as enclosed in that space as possible.

    Check your microphone configurations and don't forget to set the right amount of volume in the track in your DAW. It will help you to reduce the noise.

    Idk if you're using it with the purpose to use as an utau, but if you do want to use it in a vocal synth like deepvocal and utau I highly recomend to make the recordings as padronized as possible. What it means? Same recording size, same amount of silence (If there is), same amount of attack, sustain and release for all the samples. As padronized as possible the easier it will be for the user to use it bc they won't need special configs in order to make things work ou. Hope I helped somehow
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    oh, the goto has a pickup and I have a partially treated room already. I don't think I'll use it for vocals.
    Sheet music or midi to しかのこのこのここしたんたん . Yes, that tune. It's ear worm and I don't know how to get rid of it so I try to remix it until I hate it. My ear not musically trained.
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    I guess I'll ask around
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    Ah, nevermind. I'm just going to try my ear and guess the notes. It's already stuck in my head anyways.
    Had anyone beatboxed with miku? like made beat boxing in Piapro or Vocaloid in general? Or whistling?
    mobius017
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    Same here. I'd love to know how any of these non-lyric sounds are made. Miku's throat-clearing in Patchwork Staccato is another good example.

    If anyone has info about this sort of thing, we should really put a resource together.
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    idk, I'm always asking about AI and gpt models about this stuff, I don't know how useful the advice is so far but I hope it gets in the ballpark.
    Asking if anyone else tried and got anywhere with them as well, take for example spitting sound effect.
    Note gain: low to maintain a natural and subtle effect
    Consonant rate: Increasing it can emphasize consonant sounds, which might be useful for creating the spitting effect
    attack speed: consider a slightly faster attack to simulate the suddenness of the effect
    Lower dynamics can make the spit sound softer and more delicate.
    Increasing breathiness can add a soft quality to the voice. Experiment with this parameter to achieve the desired level of breathiness for your spit sound.
    Phonemnes to use: さつっくぷ
    mobius017
    mobius017
    Wow, I would've assumed that this stuff was too niche and the subject matter too difficult for an AI to make phoneme/tuning suggestions. The ideas it gave sound plausible, at least.
    Getting back into vocaloid tuning again after another hiatus. Thinking Common english childeren's lullaby with known vocal score sheet is what I need for a good baseline for tweaking. Anyone knows of good ones?
    I wonder if you can bounce the FX of movement output in Studio one. I feel it's probably going to use up alot of CPU with all those LFO's and modulations.
    IO+
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    You can! I think it's call freeze rendering or something similar, it freeze the track after you render it and if you want to change something you can unfreeze the track, just to remind you that it may cause a audio dropout and potentially crash your DAW due to excessive CPU spike so after you unfreeze it remember to bypassed some of the plugins or instrument to free up your resources "Before" hit play button.
    DJ'ing from a core 2 duo is going to be a trip.
    I don't really want to link my accounts on that laptop, I'm not sure I want to use a USB, I might just want to grab my tracks from my server or something.
    MagicalMiku
    MagicalMiku
    try to use VLC video player, it should be fine ^^
    and for audio tracks, just use mp3, not flac or any other formats. a fresh install of windows 10 might be a good thing too (use the official media creation tool to make a bootable usb stick install), since it will auto install any missing drivers from windows update. I also recommend to use an external usb keyboard and mouse :haiyi_ani_lili:
    (or if you want to use linux, then lubuntu or kubuntu might be good)
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    Software and resources management can help to some degree, but if it too old to keep up, i think it's a good idea to upgrade your machine.

    It doesn't need to be up to date "top shelf" machine. Something like gen 2-4 cpu is perfectly fine. Your meal probably more expensive than theses CPUs couple with 16GB of ddr3 ram and maybe a standard ssd is enough to keep you going for a decade to come.
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    Fairly certain the problem is the graphics driver itself. That laptop is just too old. I can play [one] track just fine when dj, but I'm too unfamilier with mixxx over serato to say I'll be fine when trying to add in fx and loops into the other track. The turn tables doesn't seem to rewind while playing and I can't seem to cue it without the sound outputting it in main (maybe I've forgot how to preview the track or it might be a different method in the new software).
    Combine that with the keyboard mapping being all over the place, I thnk I'll upgrade it to one of those tsukumo miku branded laptops when it's convenient. It was a pain having to copy the @ and = signs from online to register for accounts and setting up eviroment settings because they were misplaced on the keyboard. I could try going back and fixing the whole keyboard one by one but I don't want to waste my time and there's apparently errors in the settings about ficxit ibus or something after I intalled a IME (the ime works but I think that prevented me from configuring the keyboard).
    Good news, I've set up the speaker system correctly and it all works.
    When did piapro get a new UI? I kind of like it. Is there a way to fallback to the legacy one for old times sake.
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    piapro.jp Is the english one different? I just realized the toolbar of sonicwire also looks different. Maybe it's language specific.
    Now that I checked, sonicwire has Scalar 2 and Serum on the Japanese website. I had to get scalar from plugin boutique, that's a shame, I could've had them registered all on my favorite site with Miku. SCALER 2の詳細情報ページ
    Mr_Meester
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    Oh my gosh it is!! It's all squares now!
    MagicalMiku
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    piapro.jp got updated about 1 week ago and it was an important update in terms of web platform (latest update was I think around 2017), it is a bit faster and at same time offers the preview images at higher quality ^^ I miss too the previous interface, and I hope in the future it'll be possible to choose various skins from the past ^-^
    I have a bunch of 4.2mm speaker connectors connected to speakers from a sony home audio system that was given away and I kind of want to use a reciever (?) system where I input two RCA L+R jacks as input from my DJ board, the reciver system should act as a sort of amp (or power input for all the speakers) as well. The speakers are really nice, it included a subwoofer. I just don't know what the thing is called but I heard that it's usually connected by bannana plugs and not these types of jacks, don't want to cut them and screw any of them up. I could use this for venues where they don't have a speaker system or wherever, the speaker set could fit all in one plastic bin which makes it pretty portable. So yeah, this reciever (?) thing needs to be portable as well.
    there's like 6-7 speakers (front, left, right, back, center, sub, left front, right front) so there's need of alot of jacks for output
    It could be a AUX or a 3.5mm input, I have some weird connectors so RCA jacks are not absolutely needed. Are these things simple enough you can do it with a breadboard/arduino and Jacks? not that I really want to but that's always a option. (I looked around and I think the speakers were from a BDV-E3100, but I just need it small cheaper and analog input a must (DJ board only has that output, no wireless).
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    the banana :len_smile_lili:plugs are usually for the home receiver and speaker amplifier (those are not portable hehe), and since it seems you need something portable, I would recommend a mini pc/notebook+usb sound card (or a mini ITX pc with sound card) or some products from Creative Sound Blaster, for example:
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    How would these interfaces plug in from my partymix and go into the BDV speaker set? I don't see the jacks for that.
    I wanted it be lighter and happy in E major but it came out emotional. My Drum fills are terrible. Not very proud of it, mixing was very minimally done and it felt way too intense without a buildup and release. Maybe I should structure it better like the ABACBCB phrase. The thing is just looped four chord progression with different variations, no attention to any breakdown, hook, or drop just transitions and different instruments to keep interest. could've added a delay at the end of the vocals but I didn't automate it, had little time to. Originally wanted to do eurobeat mix but couldn't finish the brass riff in a satisfactory way so I settled on this cocophony of rhythms and melody. There isn't a overarching rhythm and it sounds like noise.
    IO+
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    You might take a song structure as "suggestions" no need to be serious about it. Although it is very important. Keep focused on overall how your song should sound like and paint a big picture, maybe you just cramp everything into single 2BUSS. It's much easier to balance the entire song this way. Then if you think you got everything right, you can take time to revisit every single track.
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    It's just, so bad.. but if you find something else that I missed to critique it be my guest. Better or worst than karmaK I'm electric? (it's worst (╯‵□′)╯︵┻━┻)
    @IO+ I think I did try and fiddle with the effects on the master channel, there is a couple of effects on the vocals and one or two intruments, The main problem was the song structure itself, I just slapped 4 some intruments playing at any one time past bar 8 and there wasn't any letup until the last 8 bars, it was interesting I guess and I did want it small and short in case they did want to fit it on a CD I wouldn't feel too guilty about it.
    The positives, I like the melodies that I made to accompany the remix by themselves (together they don't quite mesh well), the only reused samples are the vocals and the drum loop. Had to delete bunch of notes around third bar of the cresendo because after I put it in the intrument it sounded bad, the third Chord just didn't sound right with the melody so it sounded alot more better than it was after the edits.
    Learning from this I should start with the chorus's "hook" and establish a common rhythm for whole song that complements the original before working at other parts and focus on deriving phrases from that motif in particular. I remember I wanted to take the scale from a C# minor then back again with help of scalar 2 but time constraints, I think I could try those scale changes for the bridge of the song next time.
    After doing the remix contest a thought came up in my head when I was using some oneshot samples using the stems. I think I might want to look for other stems from my favorite albums for learning. I don't know where to look for them, I remember somone said to look on YT which just has master file. ZeroKyori, utsu, suzuki, etc. Do I just try and look on thier personal webpages for them?
    I forgot I can do audio subtraction.. need to study more. . .
    I wonder if there's a place to look for people who share my interests and have a large Vital preset pack with all these intruments that Key studios and oneoneone used. I think I'm deficient on plucks and strings and bell pads generally speaking but I can just use what I have and make them offhand with time but this hobby doesn't have to be so lonely.
    Opinions on these plugins?
    I havn't used them and not sure how useful any of these are or how much space and download bandwith they use up and extra software it requires (some VST's demand a installation program like UVI workstation and ilok with uvi).
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    I mostly use keyboards but sometime i use software synths like Spire, MASSIVE, Dune3, FM8 and free synths like Surge, obxd.

    Deelay is really good and you can use it as reverb too, even paid plugin can't even do this.
    Surge is simply amazing, eventhough it's a great design synths but UI may look like you are inside Boeing 747 cockpit.
    Modulation section is great, you even have multi-segment envelope generator up to 128 node if you enjoy modulate sounds, Filter block is amazing. One of the very few synths that actually get the filter topology right.

    PaulXStretch is great for sound design, not effect. You can use it to explore new thing you can put a simple sound and stretch, select a part that you like and turn them into samples.

    EngineersFilter as the name suggested, i don't think this is a necessary plugins, these filter are usually use in science and engineering, not really used in music production. Although the fillter like Inflasonic, ultrasonic and Elliptical can give you a "brickwall like" filter but this plugin are IIR filters base design (not FIR) so it can "really" skewed the phase response so it's mostly use for technical purpose.
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    I just heard that engineers filter is nessesary if you want to play on big concert speakers or clubs that pick up 20Hz and below. It might not be needed but idk, maybe I might want to play whatever I make in the future on sound systems like that, maybe I'll ignore it until it's actually needed but then again wouldn't want to be turned down outright a oportunity to play on something like that.
    IO+
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    I do have some expierence with live sound systems, most of these issue should be addressed while do track prepairing or mixing stage so it's not a problem and to be hornest it's quite difficult to find a sounds system that setup for a frequency as low as 20Hz and below. For a Home Theater it is possible, but for a big concert. If you're lucky enough you can find subs that can produce as low as 25-30Hz and those subwoofers that can produce 20Hz and below is already have massive high pass (like -30dB) to pervent speaker cone distortion.

    Generally speaking, a larger subwoofers will provide lower frequencies but that doesn't mean it will give a good bass quality.
    35-40Hz subs is usually enough in most setup and after that. Psychoacoustics will do the trick.

    My summery is don't overthinking too much about problem that doesn't really exist in real world. These very low frequency usually not a problem and if you somehow have problem with inflasonic, an ordinary filter like 6-12dB/oct HPF will do the job perfectly fine.
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