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morrysillusion

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    this could lead to unpopular opinion-like discussion but this also covers some potentially uncomfortable subjects so im just rambling here dont mind me <3

    as much as i am still "into" vocaloid to some extent i think as time goes on i really notice how much i dont vibe with a lot of the "character" voices of right now and it all comes down to the huge want for more and more young anime girl characters. i wouldnt say i am the biggest anime nerd out there (i have enjoyed anime but have never leaned on any animes with cutesy/moe vibes) but i think i drift away from anime and anime circles because so much get immense attention is that- young cute anime girls. obviously "anime" as a whole is massive enough that yes, its not "just" cute teens, i recognize that. but when it comes down to spaces like Vocaloid, which i want so much to keep enjoying, it really does end up just being that.

    its not that i feel theres no "reason" things have turned this way, its clearly whats wanted and what makes money. people who like vocaloid/similar things want idols basically...and when theyre virtual its likely the cute teen girls will catch all the attention for those fans more- idol culture is very centered around youth and looking cute. it makes sense for money but boy it doesn't mean i find it any less weird the more i see it. i think its quite clear there is a problem when fans of virtual idols obsess over teen aniem girls.... and then further pass around sexualized content of said character. even worse is when the companies owning said character promote such content. it IS weird. its fucking gross. and its absolutely why i dont label myself under such fandom and additionally avoid them to no end. i dont want to be around weirdos who only care about fictional idols when theyre young girls and im tired of a society that feed said culture by continuing to churn out teenage girl characters for every virtual idol concept they need.

    this isnt really a formal "i want to see more male characters/mature female characters/etc" post, i just need to vent the issue in my head. i like vocal synths but yes i really dont give a single shit about every new 15 year old cute girl design that pops up. i am not surprised by any means, just continually bored and uninterested... soft voices, baby faces, underage- its the constant. its a surprise im even here at all tbh, because i know this is unlikely to ever change lol. in the end i majorly love engloids because often times american design trends dont fall into these often more japanese design trends, but it seems pretty clear this takes off in japan because of the Cute Girls. its sadly a neverending loop of doing what makes money, thus contributing to this awful culture of adult fans drooling over teens.
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    ikaroll
    ikaroll
    @sketchesofpayne "They will sexualize anything."
    Yeah and i really wish it wasn't that way sjvshvsj

    I have seen a lot of very sexual comments about/art of underage characters from media i like and i wish i could erase that from my brain

    And people wonder how teenagers and young kids get hypersexual so quickly

    I mean, yeah, i like vocal synth characters, and some of them are my all time favorite characters (like Yanhe and Nana) but....yeah, this community is scary hsigsuvs
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @sketchesofpayne i agree that to some extent "everything" is sexualized tho the core difference is sitting here knowing there is a completely different vibe with teenage/underage girls being sexualized above all in the context of anime/vocaloid. and while one could say some fans do it with little thought, it doesnt take away the creep fact and as a mature adult person those fans need to think for themselves and realize, hey- that's creepy! and shouldnt be shocked when other people not within such a culture find it weird.
    the further issue is i DO think many of these people 100% know what theyre doing, bc rabid idol fans defend themselves to their graves about how much they want to obsess over teen anime girls. i get what youre saying, all in all its been normalized but it doesnt take away the responsibility of those who consume said media to recognize when they end up being a creep about it and i dont think it makes sense to give benefit of the doubt and assume everyone is just innocently consuming the content without realizing their attraction to teens.
    mobius017
    mobius017
    I really wish that the more perverse ways in which vocal synths are sometimes handled wasn't something I had to deal with. (I actually wrote a roughly 3-page short story that, among other things, touches on this...depending on your interpretation.) Not only does it make us as a fandom look really bad, but, more importantly, I can't help but feel bad for the synths when I imagine how they would feel if they could know what is sometimes being done with them.
    morrysillusion
    i forget i made this account in 2018 but it was so i could ask about an issue i had in synth v and then i just. never used the forum after that until just recently lol
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    its a shame cuz it shows that aside from a forum space like this, there really is no community space to get help on technical issues, and this place is already so light with activity in comparison to most forums! im glad this place exists. but man the vocal synth stuff is very contained when it comes to the tech end of things, and trying to seek out communities more focus on the tech
    morrysillusion
    not me looking for midis of my favorite old emo bands at midnight so i can sloppily start more english vocaloids covers ill certainly forget about by the morning
    morrysillusion
    tbh i do have a lot of english vocaloid covers i could do, and id love to finish em due to the lack of recent english centered vocaloid covers in general. but think i always loose interest to continue them bc most are obscure enough that id have to deal with making my own instrumental (which is possible with a full midi if available online and its decent, but i often dont like the results for more complicated instrumentals that use lots of instruments that are hard to replicate w what i have) or ripping the instrumental from the song with low quality results, that often ruin the end result....
    sometimes i also just dont like how much the english loids sound so Robotic/stiff. i have a song i could 100% cover and finish but i am just not satisfied w how they sound compared to the original (mostly bc its an artist i Adore so of course i think the original is great).
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    Ronny777
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    Personally I wish there were more english covers posted on here. I'm not fluent in Japanese so it's difficult for me to fully understand and analyze the way a Vocaloid is used. so, I would love to hear what your tuning sounds like in english. I've tried sharing some stuff I've made but I've come to the conclusion that they are not very interesting to most people on this site. I don't take it to hart but I would rather people tell me if something I make is bad instead of ignore it but thats a bit of a difficult thing to ask of people.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    yeah i feel there has always been a lack of english covers and interest in them... i think one thing is ease of making covers- lots of japanese songs get UST/VSQs maybe often, and i dont even know japanese but ive always gone to cover those songs just because of that (i dont/cant make midis from scratch easily) and many other probably do too because they dont have the skill to make files from scratch. so its understandable why the fandom leans on that, aside from obvious interest in vocaloids on the japanese side. i dont even know japanese, but ive worked on covers with it so much tuning it comes pretty naturally do me now.

    sadly so much english covers just get ignored bc people just *want* to see japanese covers and songs over english ones :/ its no doubt why i like making japanese covers- i do find them easier to do but i also get more validation from them! which is kinda just the dissapointing reality when you throw your stuff out there, after realizing what gets attention over other things.

    but hopefully ill touch on some of my covers soon here and maybe pick out a few english covers i will actually finish
    @Ronny777
    morrysillusion
    decided to download Rikka AI lite just to see how it is. theres always that sort of AI fuzziness i can say i dislike in these banks (its noticeable in all synth v banks but stronger in AI ones) but i do like how much you can push her GEN up and not get a weird sound! i hope people really push it. heres a quick little cover (utilizing the AI tuning) with some of that much deeper voice using GEN

    rikkamabel

    Listen to a track uploaded by morrysillusion.
    whyp.it whyp.it

    there was a little glitch in the voice but aside from that it sounded pretty nice! didnt feel like rendering harmonies, used my old flower ones.
    EDIT: i went and put her non-AI bank on it and wow, im shocked by how different it sounds tbh. it doesnt even sound the same??? i think i like how the AI bank handles GEN because it really creates a whole new voice, but her non-AI sounds more like her, even with GEN, but after a certain point it warps the voice in a weird way (like how GEN acts with all voices after a certain point, but with AI it definitely is more natural)
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    Both of her AI and Standard have their own strenghts and weaknesses and I wouldn't say you can use them interchnagibly for the same thing. In their default state they're pretty faithful to one another, albeit, one is softer than the other but in their behavior they're very different. As you said her AI reacts well to high gen, then both of her standard and ai react well to high tension but low tension her Standard reacts to better and it generally reacts better to manipulation with the other parameters as well. Her AI is suitable for the mor powerful tones while her Standard for the soft ones.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    yes i was definitely intrigued and surprised by how different they acted! it does show that at the very least, you arent getting the same exact thing even when you go to AI...which is good? and maybe bad? bad in the sense that, you arent gonna get the same exact sound if you expected it to be like the standard, which i did not expect to be so different lol. i do like how the AI treats some of those parameters though, it makes me excited for more AI banks tbh. im a bit unsure which i could say i "prefer" as you said, they both have their pros and cons tbh. @patuk
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    lIlI
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    Wow she sounds amazing with gen! Makes me want an Iroha-style bank on Synth V.
    morrysillusion
    its seems im conditioned to always work on v flower covers first bc now im putting aside the gacha cover just to churn out some art for a MIRA cover video
    morrysillusion
    you know i find myself quite satisfied here as its like, my only peek into voca stuff- and this forum by itself, w how low the activity is, is really like the ideal place to consume voca content/discussion (even if the lack of activity means it lacks sometimes). i dont go to twitter, amino, tumblr, etc at all and avoid all the typical fandom drama. of course no place is perfect, sometimes things can get a bit heated in here too, but generally things cool down far easier likely due to the small number of reoccuring users versus twitter where you can get dogpiled by 15 randos who saw your tweet.

    i like curating what i take in, bc i hate fandom spaces, but i like getting news and coming in for light discussion. i can say this forum, isolated, does that to some level... and i am so glad i do not know what the fuck is up everywhere else. dont need to know!
    morrysillusion
    hm. never had V5 crash on me and for some reason it is....its not a particularly long file and it doesnt have nearly as many pitch bends as others ive already done in v5? so idk whats going on....
    morrysillusion
    dont ask me how much gachapoid has become my second fave vocaloid lol... ive really loved pushing his voice to different extremes in the editor. ill prob be doing more covers with him.
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    M1023
    M1023
    Gachapoid is a weird but good Vocaloid

    With PBS 12, Pitch Max. sound like an adult
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @M1023 yeah! ive made a few singer presets in V4 with lower GEN and other settings and he honestly sounds really cool when on a lower pitch. its a little finnicky but still, i wish more people tried it with him.
    M1023
    M1023
    Me too
    But it's kind a hard Loid and people nowadays wants Vocaloid easy to tune QvQ

    I love tricky loids
    morrysillusion
    i like a lot of vocaloid artists but imo i feel like pinocchiop is one i am never dissapointed with. like the quality of production is just always so good- from tuning, to the music itself, and even the videos. i also never feel like im "bored" with his music because it is quite a unique sound compared to others generally in that genre of music
    morrysillusion
    i have been really bad at drawing humanoids so these vocaloid requests are kinda just warm ups to practice- not just humans but also coming up with poses that are just *stands at 3/4 angle with hand on hip* over and over again
    morrysillusion
    oh why have i never really looked at cul's debut design........i cant say im a fan of the outfit in her final one (or maybe its more so just the art) but i quite like the colors and simplicity of the debut. i get the vibe of the final one but i never vibed with it much tbh
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    I LIKE IT TOO, she looks like casual teen from the early 2010s and I like that about it!
    Ronny777
    Ronny777
    It's weird because I would have assumed her debut design was for an expansion. The art style looks more polished. I wonder why her design was changed so drastically.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Ronny777 yes i also really prefer the art style in general on it... the line work and choice of color just flow a bit nicer. maybe i wouldve liked the final design a little more if it was a different artist? idk! but the final art and design....just not my fave
    morrysillusion
    i wanna get on my utau stuff again and fix up my vcv bank for release but i think i want to find someone to commission an oto for it.... i just do not have the energy to oto vcv right now :/ ill go looking in the forums soon tho if you happen to see this and do oto comms hmu!
    morrysillusion
    EDIT: four filled! Cul, Iroha, Rion or Merli (i'll pick which when i get to it) and Ring Suzune!

    hey guys its late but um. taking Vocaloid art requests!!! ONLY FIRST FOUR SUGGESTED!! i wanna practice some vocaloids. i draw flower a lot, so i wont take her as a request lol. would love to see some lesser loved loids but anyone not-flower, tell me :^)

    its late so i may not get to them at the very moment but i want a few loids to consider for warm up doodles! hand em over!! remember, first requests four only! i may return later for more once theyre done
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