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  • So, a thought. A couple of the girls from Bang Dream are getting CeVio AI vbs, which makes me wonder if we’ll ever see Love Live AI vbs and/or Project Sekai ones.
    I just found out that the VP of an utau I like using is a total scumbag. I don’t understand why some people have to be so toxic.
    Legally Pipp Petals
    Legally Pipp Petals
    omg I was gonna ask but then remembered who the vp of that utau is 💀
    MillyAqualine
    MillyAqualine
    OMg I forgot about him but looking at the doc thing... Holy cow
    This is also why I feel ill-at-ease being an adult in a community with teens and why I kinda secluded myself from the community outside of some Discord servors and here 😔 It's horrible to see this and other nasty cases like
    Crecia's VP
    WyndReed
    WyndReed
    It is definitely hard sometimes to be an adult in a community with a large percentage of teens. It’s like it’s totally ok to interact with and be friends with people younger than us, but what these toxic creeps do changes the social fabric of this community. Really terrible.
    Humble Bundle is running their Corel bundle again. Around 32 USD for Painter 2022, PaintShop Pro 2022, VideoStudio Pro, and various assets for Painter.
    So if the Letter Logo synth v’s got the VY treatment, what sort of object would represent them? hmm
    MillyAqualine
    MillyAqualine
    For Saki I'd see well a Scottish tartan-patterned dress or a brooch, Qingsu a spiky bracelet or a pin's, Ryo a red satin choker (but I guess it's because I think about Ryou Shirogane's own choker) Kevin a jade-coloured sneaker, Mo Chen a book, Feng Yi a feather, An Xiao an apricot (either the fruit or the flower), Weina a small crown or golden diadem, Yuma, Natalie a small gadget like a tiny Pc or even a mirror, and Mai either a strawberry or a satin bow ; then Xuan Yu maybe an onyx jewel and Cong Zheng either a guitar or a crimson spotlight

    (Don't ask me I've wierd concepts... At least Saki's would make sense since her original logo really minded me to a tartan)
    PearlStarLight5
    PearlStarLight5
    Soooo, if they were represented with icons instead of letters, official character items? Does sound like a good timeline.
    I’d love to snag a copy of Solaria’s physical since I missed the crowdfund, but that won’t be possible. Even if I had the money there’s no way I’d make it. rip :(
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    Mika
    Mika
    same, I'd love to get her and I even have the money, but the orders open at 1 am for me and I have to work quite early tomorrow, so no way I can stay up until then, and waking up at that time is only stealing my sleep... sigh. would have been nice
    WyndReed
    WyndReed
    I’m hoping that someone will do a hq scan of her box art at some point.
    Syudou wrote one of the Chainsaw Man ending themes! In the Back Room is so good and I’m just dying over the little bits from Bitter Choco Decoration in it.
    pico
    pico
    Syudou, John, Eve, Kanaria, Hachi (OP), plus Zuttomayo which has ties to vocaloid producers. Plenty of vocaloid graduate representation!
    Long covid sleep problems are so awful. I’m hoping once my doc gives me an alpha blocker that it’ll help since I won’t have as much norepinephrine in my system all day. Between the french fried nervous system and not being able to eat many foods anymore, I am so over long covid.
    I think my main issue with AI synths and some of the culture surrounding them is that, to me, when someone uses an AI synth it really becomes about the way the software/creators envisioned the voice/character, but with a non-AI synth it becomes more about how the user envisions the voice/character. Maybe it’s just some toxic Synth V fans, but it’s almost like AI is bringing us back to the early Vocaloid days, when there was less focus on the musicians and more on the characters. Just my two cents.
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    pico
    pico
    (2/3) Here are some articles that made me feel positively about how AI synths and especially characters influence creativity in the vocaloid space.

    This interview (officially English translated by Yamaha!) with syudou talks about syudou's very sincere passion for Hatsune Miku, the character. I don't think anyone would claim syudou makes very character-focused songs, and I don't think anyone would argue that syudou's vocaloid music is "about Miku" or anything like that, but he still argues that he thinks what people should do is get very emotionally invested in character when they make Vocaloid music.

    In this interview with natalie.mu, PIEDPIPER, who created KAMITSUBAKI and is in charge of the Musical Isotope project (KAFU, SEKAI, etc) talks about some of these and related concerns, especially those shared by users of this forum, in quite great detail. This is a great read. KAFU was designed purposefully to not sound like a clone of a human voice provider, even though the developers felt that it was possible. Not all AI synths have this, but I think it says something that KAFU is the most popular AI synth and she was designed this way.

    But with regard to this particular topic, the second page contains interviews with producers.
    pico
    pico
    tsumiki (yay!!!) said that KAFU (as a synth) has an extremely high information content compared to traditional voice synths. He means that the synth is providing more information to the user (which you reference). He says that old synths are musical instruments that sound like voices, which is what he likes. He says that KAFU is like a "magical item" that conveys a singing voice with "blood" (a feeling of living, I feel like he's saying) no matter what. He says that after his album he wanted to make music that had a positive impact on people, and he felt like that characteristic of KAFU in combination with that vision was a part of his song 'phony's meteoric success.

    I feel like right now we're living in a time where these concepts and feelings of AI synths and traditional synths are coexisting and interacting in cool and positive ways. Duet songs between humans and vocaloids get popular. AI songs get popular. Traditional synth songs get popular. I think in the end, the AI synths will just be another tool in the toolkit for artists to convey their vision like what tsumiki did. (Yamaha seems to be aware of this with the way VOCALOID 6 is set up.) Phony is the most popular AI synth song ever, and it doesn't even feature KAFU in the thumbnail, despite conveying that sense of "character" in the voice. You know?

    I still prefer traditional synths myself, having grown up with the music created with them and really enjoying what is created with them, but I've seen AI synths bring so much liveliness and good music to our community, that I think there will be more to come. And I don't think it will necessarily come with the demotion of producers or loss of creativity.

    That's my hope at least :rime_lili:
    peaches2217
    peaches2217
    I think this has less to do with how AI synths are merging into the world of vocalsynths and more to do with characters themselves getting greater attention than the producers making music with them. Think Early Vocaloid Fandom, circ. 2007-2010; tons of people, as you said, would think of songs using Miku as being Miku's songs. That attitude hasn't been around in a great long while for the most part. Unhappy Refrain was a whole callout against that mindset, and from that point on it feels like we've been simultaneously embracing characters while also separating them from their producers, and elevating such producers by their own merits and how they shape the vocals.

    With the emergence of AI synths, especially SynthV, we're starting to see a backslide into those Early Vocaloid days. I think Solaria stans are particularly bad about it (no hate if you just earnestly enjoy her voice! I'm talking THOSE kinds of fans); rather than say "Oh wow, this producer made a cool song using Solaria! They're talented and Solaria's a good vocal for it and I like the way they manipulated her!", their focus is more heavily on "Solaria's singing this song! She sounds so good! She's a goddess!" She's not the only one to get this treatment of course, but it's something that's become a minor issue.

    The good news is, I don't think it's a prominent issue at all! Such attitudes are usually only found on VocaTwitter and similarly iffy fandom corners. As @Legally Pipp Petals made a status about earlier, voicesynths are seeing more and more success as instruments used to elevate producers and not the other way around, as we saw in the early days. You'll always have people ignoring the hard work surrounding a synth and salivating exclusively over the character, but the number of people who DON'T do that still outweighs them by a great margin.
    My mom and I got the omnicro
    booster last friday and are already starting to feel better from long covid! I’m not seeing as much improvement, but my issues that were made worse by covid in august are different.
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