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[Vocaloid Original] LIVE // DIE // REPEAT (full length album)

WintermintP

Lead Guitar, One Minute Winter
Long time no see guys! I didn't know this forum existed until today! >3<

What you've missed out on are actually two full-length albums that I've done with Vocaloid. This one's the recent one!


The reason why I didn't list the Vocaloids on the title is because I've used a bunch of them and I'm actually posting a full-length album and not just a song. This marks the first time I've actually used Miku V4 English. As it turns out, contrary to what I thought in the past, she can really hold up! Don't hesitate to write fast lyrics with her, she can really shred!

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IrikuAtushi

Wild Specimen
Apr 8, 2018
10
Carribean
Not a lot of metal producers in the west, so this is awesome! Did you do the guitars? If so, would you mind telling me a bit about you gear?
 

WintermintP

Lead Guitar, One Minute Winter
MHM!

The guitar itself is a JS32-7 with the DiMarzio D Activator 7 set installed. The JS32-7 is actually a 7-string guitar, which means although a lot of people would argue that it's a normal guitar with an extra string on the bottom, it's actually a whole other instrument altogether because you have to learn new finger patterns and grips.

The guitar is normally tuned to Drop G, and I've once used it in Drop F# (and that song I used it in Drop F# can also be found in the album), which is G-D-G-C-F-A-D. I'm using the D'Addario Round Wound XL 10-52 set along with an additional 70 on the bottom. There's a very high chance, however, that I'm going to switch out the 70 to an even heavier gauge because of how flabby the 70 happens to be. People around me are kind of shocked to see me play gauges like this because 70 is already 8-string territory... ^^;;

I also use a 5-string bass. The 5-string bass is an Ibanez SR405EQM with a discontinued blue finish (and that's how I got it cheaper than normal price but I still got charged like $600+).

I record everything through a Behringer DI-20 and then into the AudioBox USB. A DI box allows you to not only increase the power of your instruments' signal, but some of them, such as the DI-20, also feature an attenuator, which is really handy when you're recording instruments with active circuitry such as the bass.

As for the plugin signal chain, there's a lot that goes on.

When it comes to the rhythm tone, I use the JST Toneforge Jason Richardson plugin as the main source of the tone, set to Rhythm with the tone stacks set to the following: low - 30%, mid - 30%, treble - 85%, presence - 100%, clarity - 67%, range - 50%. Then it goes through FabFilter Pro-Q for a little bit of cleanup, and then into the JST Joel Wanasek BusGlue Guitars plugin so that the palm mutes and the actual strums can all be heard clearly. Then it goes into another FabFilter Pro-Q but this time I take out some of the 300Hz area by 3dB and I also attenuate the 4kHz at a thin Q by 6dB.

When it comes to the bass, the original album consists of the Darkglass B7K Ultra in plugin form by Neural DSP. Its quality can only be set to Low at best because otherwise my computer freezes and crashes, even if my DAW is the only thing that's running on my computer (even though it's a goshdang hex-core computer... @.@). Then I run that through Thermionik Bassmensch into NadIR loaded with the Ampeg IR from 3 Sigma Audio, then through Mixtool to adjust the levels a little, then through FabFilter Pro-Q to get a special EQ curve that only it can provide (I can't tell you how I got it). At the end of the chain is the JST Joel Wanasek BusGlue Bass to make all of the notes come out clear.

By the way, if you have the JST Joel Wanasek BusGlue suite (which you can't buy the individual plugins of by themselves), it's well worth the investment, especially bass-wise, because you can actually get a completely mix-ready bass tone with just that Joel Wanasek BusGlue Bass plugin alone. I did it in a way that's a little more complicated because I really couldn't pass up the B7K plugin.

The new bass tone, which you will hear in the bonus tracks from the upcoming Special Edition of the same album, I'm running a simpler setup, which starts with Pro-Q to attenuate out some of the unwanted string noise, and then JST Gain Reduction for compression, then the B7K Ultra, then EZMix with the Corn preset from the Metal Amps expansion, then Pro-Q again, but this time I do a lot of EQ moves so that all the weird frequencies are attenuated, then I use Limiter No 6 (I finally got the white and blue skin I wanted >3<) for the last round of evening out the notes.

For the lead guitars, it's the same as the rhythm guitars for the most part except depending on the tone it calls for I will either switch the plugin's channel to Lead with the default settings except with the Edge increased to about 60-67% or I will use the Blue channel on Thermionik Psycho C along with the Mesa OS Rectifier IR from 3 Sigma Audio loaded on NadIR right after. In both cases I run the TSE 808 in front with all knobs at max, but with the Psycho C's case, I run a before-amp Pro-Q where I make a large dip at 300Hz and 600Hz, each reduced by 4dB, and then a wide 8kHz bell boost.

I hope I didn't bore you with all these details but I pay attention to details so much! I'm so sorry! >.<

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IrikuAtushi

Wild Specimen
Apr 8, 2018
10
Carribean
This was really detailed, thank you! I had a feeling that you were using a 7 string just by the tuning, I noticed that low G and F# in the songs, so I was curious as to what you used. I do agree that gauge 70 is a bit flabby for those lower tunings (so I don't blame you for going with a higher gauge, even though I don't have a 7 string myself.) I do want to get one but I have no money ;-;

Also the vsts you run for the guitars is pretty amazing. I still use either the free stuff or my pedals. I'm considering of buying an AXE FX in the future but those things are expensive lol
 

WintermintP

Lead Guitar, One Minute Winter
(sigh) I really don't know what to tell you, aside from Axe FX being not really worth your investment.

When it comes to plugins and instruments nowadays you can't really get away with using the free stuff, but there are a lot of good cheap options available. Thermionik is a great example of this, because you can get a Thermionik amp for very low prices. I think I got like, 12 of them over the years? And that's how I got a really good custom discount on the Kazrog Complete Collection, which not only gives you all of the Thermionik modules but also Recabinet and all of the base Recabinet IRs. They're only, like, around $200 so I think it's a really good deal you can't pass up.

It's the Darkglass plugin that will run you a lot though... That and the JST Joel Wanasek BusGlue series.

If you plan to do really low tunings like Drop G you really can't get away with using a normal 6. If it's a baritone guitar then you might be able to get away with it, but definitely not if it's a normal 6-string guitar. If you don't have the baritone scale your guitar won't be able to handle those heavy gauges. Even then, you're not going to get that additional top string you're going to need if you need to do some shreds with it (which I plan to do, a lot, so I definitely need the extra top string).

You should be able to get a decent 7-string guitar for a low price, though, minus the pickups which don't cost all that much... but then again if you don't know how to solder that might be a problem...

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IrikuAtushi

Wild Specimen
Apr 8, 2018
10
Carribean
Mine is a bit larger scale than a normal one but not exactly baritone. Most I bring it down to is Drop A. Also, you do have a point on the Axe FX. I would invest in it if I do continue playing live, if I go back to studio I'll buy BiasFX which does the same, maybe even more, for a lot less.

Edit: I need to research Thermionik, since I really never heard of it.
 

WintermintP

Lead Guitar, One Minute Winter
Even if I were to keep playing live, which I've completely decided that I'm not going to, it still would've been ridiculous to attempt to buy an Axe FX or a Kemper. Reason being, something that costs an entire arm and leg isn't worth looking into, especially when you've got a bunch of Mooer pedals that can do the job just as well. All you need is a Mooer overdrive pedal, a Mooer preamp pedal, and a Mooer IR loader. That's your whole rig right there. Just hook it up to the PA. Bass, on the other hand, can be a problem because you'll definitely need a pedal that costs over $400.

I take it your scale is 25.5?

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WintermintP

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Yea... er... I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but I really think you should start looking into getting a 7-string guitar. The direction the modern metal scene is going nowadays, standard scales ain't going to cut it anymore. Although I'm a bit surprised that Jason Richardson was able to play in Drop G tuning with a 25.5" scale 7-string guitar just fine... and he's got light strings!

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IrikuAtushi

Wild Specimen
Apr 8, 2018
10
Carribean
I don't really plan on doing anything too low tuning just yet, because of reasons stated lol. I'll keep using my regular tunings until I can get a 7 and do some crazy stuff
 

WintermintP

Lead Guitar, One Minute Winter
@IrikuAtushi Actually I just came up with an idea.

If you tune your guitar to Drop C, then what you can do is use this pedal called Digitech Drop to drop it 5 semitones and get your Drop G there, and whenever you have to solo you can disengage that pedal, and you've essentially gotten the same range as that of a 7-string guitar minus the complications of having to learn 7-string guitar voicings! I don't know if that can work on bass though. If you tune your bass to Drop C at some point, it might be worth a try.


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