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  • So as it turns out, Avanna's VP is most likely from Dublin, Ireland. I suppose that would confirm her accent as likely being from there. (Ireland might be very small but it has very high accent density haha)

    Also, I dunno how stubborn Vocawiki would be if I informed them that Avanna isn't British...
    Does anyone else notice that they tune differently depending on which synth they're using? Like, often when I use Miku, I opt for an energetic and expressive tuning style, while when I'm working with Avanna I go for a calmer, even often simpler and less dramatic style.
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    You have a good point, and yeah. And honestly when I do covers I probably kinda attempt to mimic the original singer a bit, haha
    Krin
    Krin
    yeah i find i do that a lot too lol!! i agree with AddictiveCUL about when you have different appends of the same vocal, i usually try to tune the vocal to the tone of whatever append i'm working with. i wish i was one of those people who had a specific tuning style but... my tuning style ultimately depends on 1) who i'm using, and 2) how much energy i have cuz sometimes i'm lazy and only have energy to touch the pitchbends
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    cross-synthesis and evec are amazing tools for expressive tuning. miku has a TON of voicebanks to work with but avanna only has one, so for expressiveness i'd rely more on the parameters (though i tend to make her sing in a somewhat more "chill" manner compared to miku anyway)
    Does anyone know of any other Vocaloids that are often associated with flowers/plants? Like Miku often being illustrated with sunflowers and Avanna being depicted with roses (or clovers/shamrocks of course) from time to time. Flower herself...well, it's in her name (I dunno if she's modeled after a specific flower though)
    lIlI
    lIlI
    Lily's definitely associated with lilies!
    MillyAqualine
    MillyAqualine
    Especially with the Chloé x Marie-Louise songs

    Also I'd say Qingxiang, her companion is a flower-like creature
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    Maybe Oliver and wisteria as well, due to one of his famous songs? (I'm not into creepy music myself but I'd imagine those associations would be present)
    I feel like you can almost tell which English Vocaloids have naturally rhotic accents and which are forcing it? Like, Dex and Daina's VPs are American and Avanna's is Irish, so those rhotic Rs come naturally to them, while a Vocaloid like Oliver or Sonika has the Rs in the rhotic vowel phonemes sound kinda forced or last-minute at the points the R is pronounced at all (some will probably just edit the Rs out even, since it sounds more natural that way). It's interesting how different that is to the American loids and Avanna whose accents pronounce R anyway.

    Like, Avanna's Rs are pronounced but fairly gentle, partly because of her voice provider's singing style I guess. Sweet Ann on the other hand...though I guess she is meant for genres like country where the R is pronounced really strongly anyway.
    Oliver's said on his Twitter that he's both British and American, so would that mean that when he talks he uses a combination of British and American terms? That'd be interesting...

    Ok but imagine Oliver saying a super American sentence in a British accent and catching the other British loids off guard-
    I made a breakthrough in representing Avanna's Irish accent in Talkloids: Don't force it. Try to go for a natural flow. Also, the opening/mouth parameter is amazing for unstressed syllables.

    This goes for any other Vocaloid with any accent really. Unless you're trying to be Hetalia, haha.
    As an American producer who often uses the Irish-accented vocal AVANNA (and most of my Engloid "wants" are other non-US vocals like Oliver and Sweet Ann), I'm curious on the perspective of non-Americans when they use American vocals, vocals that have an accent closer to mine. What's that like, for someone who doesn't speak that way?
    Alright, so you can still download UTAU Teto post-SynthV release it seems. So "F2P" producers (or mostly-F2P producers such as myself) can still download some form of Teto if they want.

    I mean, we're getting Teto Lite anyway but still.
    i love avanna and her soft voice + overly enunciated consonants so much. it's like voicebank asmr haha

    i don't listen to dedicated asmr cause it can be like...weird i guess, but sometimes i get that feeling from watching like, fairly soft-spoken tutorials or something

    honestly i feel the same way about miku v3 eng. her consonants are so crisp and nice imo. especially those ending consonants
    Does anyone know of any free English character talk banks that aren't the cartoon deepfake ones?
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    aru ii
    aru ii
    The only payed English character tts that I know of are Maki English for Cevio ai and Kotonoha Akane and Aoi English for aivoice. There is also Neutalk, an English AI tts that’s made to bring the world of character tts voices to English audiences. I believe that you can create your own vb on neutalk and it’s free. I think you can also make a vb of your own on Uberduck and Tacotron but I’m not knowledgable enough about those 2
    Headcanon: AVANNA knows nature. She knows which animals to approach and which to avoid. She knows which fruits and berries are safe to eat and which are poisonous, and which plants can and can't be touched.

    Oliver? He don't care, he's probably eaten nightshade and been fine

    A camping trip with Avanna and Oliver would basically be Avanna trying to teach him to survive in the woods while Oliver makes the weirdest and dumbest decisions and somehow survives anyway. Eventually Avanna stops trying to stop him because she realizes this tiny boy is made of steel.
    Does it make me a weirdo that I like Miku for her voice and design rather than her popularity/iconic status/status as the "shaper" of Vocaloid?
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    Ah, maybe it's mostly non-fans that seem to just talk about how she's iconic and shaped Vocaloid and not about her as a character or a vocal.
    MillyAqualine
    MillyAqualine
    No, I liked her because she had a cute voice, a cool appearance (it's funny how for all these years Miku had a sweet voice paired with a design where I sense a mischievous, nearly mature/serious tomboyish flair) and as Wynd said, her Solid rocks (also her actual Sweet bank IS very cutier than any cutie)

    For the Vocaloid icon it went second and even, despite having been there for nearly 15 years I feel like I wasn't much onto her icon status, but rather how I perceived her the very first times 4Ive met her on the Internet
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    Same here! Though her popularity does mean she's gotten tons of good songs and other things.
    Which Vocaloids of each language are your favorite? For me:

    Japanese: Hatsune Miku
    English: AVANNA
    Chinese: Stardust
    Korean: UNI
    Spanish: MAIKA
    Which Vocaloid producers have your favorite tuning styles?

    For me, it's a mixture of realistic and unrealistic-but-pleasant styles:
    -kz/Livetune
    -ryo (supercell)
    -Mitchie M
    -Tiara
    -regulus
    -yoshida
    -Harumaki Gohan
    -Clean Tears
    -Old Deco*27 (not as big a fan of his newer style)
    -MJQ-P
    -Dixie Flatline
    -n-buna
    -sasakure.UK
    Tip for Talkloiding: Thinking noises. We all make them, but some people make them differently, according to the individual as well as the accent/dialect. So...

    English:
    -Several Vocaloids are American (Dex/Daina, Ruby, Cyber Diva/Songman, etc.), as well as most English SynthVs (excluding Maki, NineZero and XLS cases). The standard thinking noise in American English is "um"/"uh". [V m]/ [V]
    -Some Vocaloids are from England (Leon, Sonika, Oliver). An accent like Oliver's would probably use "er" [@], but I think Sonika's accent is more northern and she might use "eh" [e] similar to Avanna. (Also, I don't recommend trying to use [@] with Sonika, her [@] phoneme is very finnicky)
    -Avanna has an Irish accent, so her thinking noises are most likely "em" and "eh". [e m]/[e]
    -Sweet Ann and Ninezero have Australian accents, and I think Australians mainly use "uh" like Americans do.

    Other Languages:
    -In Japanese, "ee to" and "ano" (first and last syllable stretched repsectively) are standard. Japanese-accented vocaloids could technically say this in English, though I tend to have it that they learned to use English thinking sounds (usually "um"/"uh" because most JP-EN Vocaloids lean American).
    -For Mandarin I'm not sure. After a bit of searching I heard they often say "neige" which means "that" (and I guess would be the equivalent to the English use of "like"), but for a thinking sound I've heard they say "mmm".
    -In Spanish I think it's "e", "em" or "este" according to Wikipedia; I think I've also heard a "la la la" type of sound (I live in California so I've heard native Spanish speakers; it's just been a while), which I think is like an English speaker saying "I went to the, the, the theater last night" when trying to think of the word.
    -Apparently in Korean it's "eung", "eo" (similar to "uh" i guess), "geu", and "eum".

    I think it's a universal thing to extend the first letter of the next word as you're thinking of it on occasion: "So is that the sss...second one?"
    AddictiveCUL (Add)
    AddictiveCUL (Add)
    Omg, love it! Never thought about that, although I don't do talkloid that much. Another tip I also think people should consider is that we talk in more inconsistent pitch than when we sing, so varying the notes a little more can make huge impact on the speaking, specially for stressing syllables.
    MillyAqualine
    MillyAqualine
    And if one day you're bold enough to try out French mimicrying, just so you know we tend to say "euuuuh" (pronounced as the French E sound) or mmmmmm 😊
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    @AddictiveCUL (Add) Yeah, that's true. It's good to think of the prosodies of different accents as well. I've been putting a lot of thought into Avanna's intonation for example. I think it wouldn't be super varied in pitch (which has been hard to get used to because I portray Miku's speech as VERY varied in pitch, and I myself have an American accent which is on the "pitchier" side), but in timing it'd have a "lilting" feel to it. I think Sonika has a bit of a Scouse accent, so for those who have her it might be fun to try giving her the iconic Scouse upward intonation...
    Tier list I did last night organizing the V1-V5 Engloids by accent for reference. For V6, I'd put Allen, Sarah and Po-uta in American, and I guess Haruka and Akito would go in Japanese if we're counting cross-lingual (Gumi's already there). IA's not there because her English voicebanks are in CeVIO, not Vocaloid.

    Lola's less "unsure" and more "apparently she's supposed to be British but a Caribbean accent comes out in some genres"

    Also, I've heard Big Al's voicer may be a PowerFX employee, but he's supposed to be American as a character so I kept him in that category.

    I've heard Sonika's supposed to be from around Liverpool, so I guess her accent is Scouse-ish? Oliver's definitely going for a London accent, and...I'm not sure about Leon, I don't hear him enough.

    Avanna's accent sounds like it's specifically from the Republic of Ireland, most likely somewhere in the Leinster province in the east. Not sure if it's specifically Dublin but it's got some Dublin-ish features. And yeah, that means no, she's not British. Maybe if she were from the North she'd count as a Brit but she's not. (Yeah, I put WAY too much research into this. But what can I say? It's actually pretty interesting if I do say so myself!)

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    For Avanna...can't we just look up where Rachel Dey is from? Unless that info is hard to find.
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    Uh, I dunno. I know her Twitter so I could try scrounging it...
    AmazingStrange39
    AmazingStrange39
    OK, I looked up all the ROI counties aside from Donegal with her twitter handle in the search, and she's mentioned Dublin more than anything (and really she hasn't mentioned most of them at all) so I'll just assume she's from there; I excluded the Northern counties because she's definitely not from Northern Ireland. But yeah, I guess that would mean Avanna has a Dublin accent?

    (I finally have answers...)
    I didn't use to be quite as fond of Avanna as I am now, but even still, I still remember the panic I felt with that buggy Piapro Studio update that locked Avanna out of the editor (and this was before I reset my computer so Tiny V3 wouldn't work)...
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