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morrysillusion
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  • why does it feel like so many v flower songs just come out at the same time. is there just a collective time that is good to post music that im unaware of lol
    TheStarPalace
    TheStarPalace
    Some people do pick the most ideal time for the algorithm to boost their song. IDK when that would be though...
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @TheStarPalace yeah, tho this week has been oddly full of flower stuff, but i guess if you study the algorithms theres probably even a specific time of the year people are most likely to watch... definitely dont know when that would be, buts its always weird when a number of new releases come at the same time
    StrawberryDemon
    StrawberryDemon
    The flower just bloomed :qingxian_ani_lili:
    am i the only one who thinks the V5 growl effects are actually pretty good? i hope not! try them if you havent touched them! not every one is, some of them sound real weird. bit theres like 2-3 that sound fuckin great to me, far better than the growl parameter. i have only used them on Flower so i guess i cant speak on whether or not they work well with other voices. but ive used the v5 growl a lot in my power tuning with flower and theyre real nice imo.
    hey ummm i remember someone mentioning how to "reset" trials of vocaloids... something about deleting a certain file? there was one trial i messed up with and cant use so i was wondering what that method was!
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @BlueJ huh, if that is the way i guess i have...tried that, but maybe i did something slightly wrong. but ill wait to see if anyone pops up with some other method.
    Jisenku
    Jisenku
    tbh when I was just playing around with Vocaloid and wasn't going to make any revenue off of it, or even publish the songs, I just pirated the software to play with it for as long as I wanted. If I decide to actually make money off of it, I'll pay for the software.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @BlueJ oh i did/do that too. still do. but i barely open up pocaloid so i prefer to have it on the legal engine for easier access if i can tbh
    got off my ass and have a new v flower cover goin up tomorrow... also saw there is a cover of this song w flower already but mine turned out so different lol so i dont feel weird about it
    im listening to those new miku demos and it does feel like an improvement from before but something still sounds...off. i mean putting aside the fuzzy engine noise (which did improve) theres something that sounds weird to me like.... is it the note transitions? consonants? i cant put my finger on it or find the right word. i know its not tuned (?) but that doesnt mean untuned demos are immune to pointing out possible flaws... if anything it gives us an idea of what flaws there are.

    i think tonally its sounding a bit better, like in terms of the general miku sound. but its lacking some quality checks in some areas tbh.
    nalondollie
    nalondollie
    I feel like I noticed the same thing. It's sorta like she's...quacking? idk

    like that weird jump between notes, especially if there's a lot of different sounds in succession of each other. It's def an improvement which makes me more positive about future improvements tho
    peaches2217
    peaches2217
    Honestly, I think it's just the songs they chose. They... they really don't make great demo songs. They're good songs on their own, but not ideal for showing off a new piece of software.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @peaches2217 its true, those songs are a bit intense mostly for untuned vocals, but it still has me wondering overall if thatll stay the same way... i wish the demos could display all ranges of the voice as it is right now tho, as it would help to know if its just those song or not.
    criteria to be a female vocaloid design:
    - your feet have to be pointing in, or your legs are so close together its unrealistic to even stand like that
    - you're somehow floating in mid air for your pose
    - one hand is held close to your face while the other is held out, for no real reason
    - if you need to be read as playful, kick one leg out behind you!
    - if you dont fit one of those, at the very least, lean on one hip pointed out. vaguely sexy femininity!
    this isnt relevant to the UO thread but i cant shut up about design/composition/flow and miku's art. so heres some more analysis


    i'd say miku's hair is a very important part of her design, so showing is well impacts the overall design. and dont get me wrong, i love miku NT's design a lot! and i also like ixima's art! but i think nt's art falls flat in a few ways due to the above. honestly all of miku's poses kinda fall flat after a while... its either "bend her spine and make her float!" or "um she's standing and her hair is being blown around in a perfect curve!" there sooo many other neutral, cute poses i could think of that i would love to see rather than just. Standing with her arms waving around.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @lIlI oh yes i definitely dont doubt the connection between simple, cute, beauty and the way miku (and many other female anime characters) are posed... i noticed on miku, the feet pointing inward on every single one, and most certainly other designs too. its a shame its no doubt a wider problem than just miku, because its unlikely any of the above will ever change lest people stop sticking to strict feminine ideals. even with some vocaloid designs who's feet dont happen to point inward (ex. v3 flower), their legs are often soooo close together, creating a very delicate, feminine pose. its so often no personality being shown, just simple and feminine by streotypical societal standards.

    its so painful because i just went to the "female voice" category of a vocaloid wiki to take a look and like, click on literally any of them and you get two options: 1) legs pressed together real close with feet inwards or 2) legs close together but one is kicked outward, because shes playful!
    lmao, thats it! no doubt i even take this stuff into mind when drawing cute/soft/feminine characters, often doing the inward pointed feet or close legs... but god, its all you get with female anime designs, its annoying.
    lIlI
    lIlI
    Frankly what I want to see is a female vocal synth doing the Slav squat, to counterbalance it :fukase_lili:
    Jisenku
    Jisenku
    The Miku V3 English Design scared me to death when I was 12
    oh i just heard that the article the emvoice creator wrote where he shat on vocaloid has been taken down :^) how funny. sadly it seems it wasnt backed up anywhere like way back.... heres the url, but i wish i could find it saved somewhere
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @BlueJ oh yeah, no problem lol. the exact link wasnt saved but there is SO much on Medium im not sure how to navigate its loads of articles to possibly even find a hint of it somewhere.
    Blue Of Mind
    Blue Of Mind
    Damn, did nobody quote it on the EmVoice thread? If I'd had known in the future it would disappear, I would have saved it in some way lol.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Blue Of Mind i know some folk definitely talked about it (it was linked in the emvoice thread) and some people on twitter linked it and spoke of it, but sadly it seems no one took screenshots or quoted/copied it anywhere :/ im glad the site says the author deleted it himself, but thats all we got now aside from tweets and forum talk discussing it!
    i guess i still am on the Emvoice email list cuz i just got an email and i guess their male voice is out now, also for demo
    and goddamn, theyre STILL trying to sell them individually for $200. imagine being so warped u think both of these voices are separately worth that fucking much lmao. embarrassing.
    Prism
    Prism
    Oh I think you missed understood what I was saying. Was trying to say I it looks bad when you can get avanna for $50. But I think when you compare it to vsts and other virtual instruments it makes sense.

    Something like realivox blue that's $150
    Shevannai Voice of Elves that's also around $150
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Prism i can see what youre saying totally, but it still doesnt make it right or understandable when every other vocal synth out there has a price that is better anyways. of course lotsof VSTs are expensive, many going beyong $300 even. just because it can be $200, doesnt mean it should be. mostly when it comes down to quality and missing tools.
    Stardust
    Stardust
    @patuk @morrysillusion I think there must have been a price drop like Morry mentioned, because now she is only 109$ for me on the store. I remember looking at her earlier this year and seeing 190$, so something must have happened.
    its nice to be able to see a bit more about Cevio AI now, tho i guess my general issue w cevio still exists- it just sounds so like...fuzzy. that cevio engine noise still seems to be blatantly obvious. i could hear that in Kaf but wasnt sure if it was just mixing or quality issues. though some of the examples in their video kinda... flucuated? a bit? maybe theyre all in different stages of development, idk. or maybe im just being weird lol. so heres to hoping some of that is subject to change my final release. tho i cant expect too much to be wildly different, kinda like the way Miku NT has been sounding ya know. the engine to some extent is set in stone and whatever method is being used seems to lean on that soft/fuzzy sound. though out of all engines ive heard that are in that category, Synth V seems to have improved the most imo
    HEY so i know i said i was disappearing but i need quick vocaloid editor insight because i am having some issues lol. will vocaloid 4 engine be alright if you install it after installing V5 and activating V4 vbs for V5? before having the V4 engine installed or activated?

    thanks in advance, dont ask me what nonsense im doing lmao, ill return if i cant get this sorted out djkhgdkjfg
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    yeah thats sounds right, i knew id need to use the activator that comes with v4. the issue i am having is just with the v4 editor itself and it activating but i was gonna try and uninstall it, yet still install my v4 banks to activate em to use with v5 for now! so it sounds like thatll be fine then.
    Stardust
    Stardust
    Yes it should be fine:flower_smile_lili:The V4 editor is not required for activations. I had several V3s before I got the V3 editor in a bundle and all I needed to use was Activate3 to use them in 5.
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    Yeah should be totally fine. I only have V5 but then got hands on V4 trial and all my V4s worked just fine there.
    well im starting to find myself to frustrated w the way some folk talk around here sometimes so consider me absent for a while so i can become distanced enough to not care/cool down mentally and pace myself with how much i read threads here. its impossible to ever claim any social site wouldnt ever eventually make me feel this way- every place is full of bad apples no matter what. generally tho social sites are always hard to detach from after youve gotten so into reading it so casually so stepping away allows my brain to put away that atachment so i dont fall into loops of reading things that can even be upsetting. this forum isnt as huge of a culprit of this problem as say, reddit or twitter, but still. bye bye for a while
    with the mess that is Kafu's Cevio AI stuff i cannot say it has helped me have confidence in Cevio AI lol.... for one i do think Kafu sounds pretty good when shes pitched down and all but theyve fucked over that quality by pitching her up which is just...so weird. but additionally we know nothing about how Cevio AI works and thats still leaving me exta "eh" about wanting to get it. i love Flower a lot and i look forward to having a new version of her to use...but i have a feeling i could be incredibly dissapointed by whatever it is, since we have gotten pretty much nothing about how any of this works! mostly afraid of the functionality, like what kind of creative freedom the engine will have, considering pretty much all AI synths at the moment give like no options to add your own tuning. thats probably my biggest gripe with AI stuff at the moment.... and even if Flower sounded good there no way in hell imma have any use for a thing that just renders the same kinda voice by the click of a button and thats it.
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    gotcha!
    And I totally get that, just wanted to show engrish is possible..at least w Neutrino. And no worries abt making such statements abt V5 around me :clara_ani_lili: I'm like the local V5 defender and believe it's unfairly over-hated.

    And if the results are any good ( havent heard them in use ) I believe SynthV has automatic tuning option for the commercial releases of their vbs? SynthVs shitick is kinda combining the best of the two worlds so I guess it's kinda telling it's mainly treated as traditional sample based synth hgfd.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @patuk ok thats good to hear, i honestly hold back saying "i like v5" sometimes because i know many ppl just..dont like it haha. honestly i use some of their easy tuning presets myself because hey, sometimes i dont wanna tune stuff all by hand! and i had no idea Synth V was planning a similar thing, in that case im excited to see how that turns out.
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    Tell me about it :clara_ani_lili: and yeah, so often I hear "omg V5 is so unintuitive/non beginner friendly" but I don't think that's the case at all, V5 is a very hard switch to those used to V4 but if you haven't actually used Vocaloid beforehand V5 is miles better to start out with.

    Oh I believe all those features are already implemeted:o but don't know much abt them as I only have the free version.
    i love kaai yuki but i have her v2 box and i kinda wish i just...bought her v4 lol. i like having the physical box n stuff but w all the stuff v3 came with... but i may still at some point get v4 but the level of importance is low, since i like..technically own her ya know. but i am grasping at that v4 clarity....
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    Stardust
    Stardust
    Her V4 is only 60-ish digitally(At least here in the U.S.), so it is not too expensive thankfully.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Stardust oh thats good to know, i thought it was more like $80! ill probably be getting that soon then after i save some of my extra income.
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