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    Practicing articulation with Luka, make her sing english(in japanese accents) a little bit more lively.

    Luka say "sayonara memories" without articulation

    Luka say "sayonara memories" with articulation

    I like to say articulation because i do not use evec since it doesn't work that well so i extract luka voice sample and morph it manually i think this method is time consuming but very detail, since i can precisely control voice sample.

    Although, rarely say a lot of good thing (mostly bad) about Luka. That doesn't mean it's a bad product though, i hope people don't get so offended from that. Actually. . . i enjoy using it.

    Maybe i'm enjoys an activity that appears to be painful or tedious.
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    By "voice sample," do you mean the full phrase, or individual phoneme samples? Also, how do you morph manually--Melodyne?
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    By "voice sample," do you mean the full phrase, or individual phoneme samples?
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    It's must be individual phoneme samples as i suggested, because i can't control full phrase voice since vocaloid engine is already synthesized. Any change in pitch and timing will affect formants quality (it may sound thin/hollow or it doesn't sound like Luka anymore) this mean a standard pitch shifting doesn't work that well.
    Meanwhile, using individual phoneme samples offers an very detail for edit, stretching, formants editing while maintain highest fidelity possible (still sound like Luka). I use this method to control how strong or soft the of voice most of the time, i can control the tension (not growl) in the voices too but it doesn't have a lot of headroom to edit.

    This method work best if voicebank have multiple voice libraries (evec included).
    Example: Miku have multiple voice libraries such as Original, soft, dark sweet, power

    *if voicebank have single voice libraries then, this method probably not doing much at all.


    After i got all phoneme samples i need, i go back to DAW and edit audio files in traditional way, which may appear to be extreamly painful or tedious process to most people.
    a precise cut and fade in-out control is a must have skill.

    Also, how do you morph manually--Melodyne?
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    I use a modified circuit Yamaha TG33 it's a 90s-ish Vector synthesis, although a custom build sy22 or an1x, sq80 is work too (or anything that have CPU inside it) but i don't even think about modding these synthesizer since these synth are the relics from the past right now and should be keep it true to the original unit.
    You can use any morphing software however, it's much more powerful, cheaper and more convenience.



    Very soft renri voice, it is UTAU


    A soothing Luka voice and making vflower sound a little softer
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    There is a little drama about people who work as freelance composers and Art/PV creator. Both side between client and freelancer they are treating terms of service with respect until they can not meet the deadline so client simply reject all the processes. It's kinda long story but I'll keep it straight.

    So, what you guys think? Who is on the right side and who is on the wrong side?

    This is not a bait question, there is no right or wrong answer either, just curious.
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    If both sides agreed to the terms that the art/PV work could be rejected if it wasn't completed on time, then the client is behaving acceptably from a legalistic point of view.

    That said, it's not a great thing to do, and it seems like a waste of time/effort for all concerned to throw all that work away if the delay is going to be reasonable. It would be better to be flexible and wait for a reasonable time and put together the output that was planned.

    Those terms presumably exist for a reason, though--I'd assume to prevent the art/PV creation from getting stretched out to some unreasonable period. It's reasonable for there to be some kind of guidelines to prevent that, if that seems to be necessary.

    On the other hand, it only makes sense to throw all that work away if the client has some other means of getting their art/PV made. Maybe they were working with multiple artists at the same time--which seems like kind of a jerk thing to do; even if all the artists were paid, all of their work probably wouldn't get used in the final product, which would be disappointing and wouldn't provide the exposure they expected. Or, if the client got any WIP materials along the way, maybe they're feeding that to another artist, or even to an AI, to complete the work--neither of which seems ethical, either.
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    After reading through all the drama, I think the main reason is the money. Client already pay a half and freelancer refuse to return it because his work is almost complete(like 90%) so i think it's too hrash for to just simply rejected but it's also their fault that they can not complete their work on time.

    Although, these terms of service is more like a "gentlemen's agreement" in this kind of work environment.

    I always respect deadlines like my life depends on it and i completely understand and respect people who value their time, but in real life. There is always something happening and they can not control it. I think it's a little bit unfair to saying that "i reject all your work because you can not complete it on time while their work is at 90% complete" but it also fair to say that "you break the rule first so i reject all your work"
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    Yamaha made a lot of good synths, even their digital vintage stuff is great, although it (arguably) not as good as Korg, l feel like their modern keyboards synth are not as good as other western brand like Oberhlem, Access, etc. Meanwhile their flagship Yamaha Montage are double the cost of most flagship synths out there. . .

    Yamaha Motif xs, MODX is fantastic and all but they drop the ball or something, im not surprised if people turn away and buy a Roland synths instead.
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    I love using Korg keyboards as midi keyboard, they are excellent for that, and I think one very good thing about Yamaha keyboard/synths in general is their grand piano sound, and also the quality of each key, even on less expensive products ^-^
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    That's great! Korg weighted keybed are one of the most realistic one (close to 1:1 weight ratio in 80s era). Meanwhile a 800$ modern 2023 midi keyboards still can't get it right.

    I think one very good thing about Yamaha keyboard/synths in general is their grand piano sound
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    I can't argue with that, it simply fantastic. . . I always looking for Piano Sound Voice 1-14 factory preset when i use my motif xs8 rack.

    I still love my yamaha keyboards/rack (although their keybed is a bit too sqishy) but i just feel a little disappointed that their flagship Montage M are not so different to much older synths like Motif. Yes, for a live performing montage are just better when compare to the Motif but is that it?

    Yamaha Montage win about overall weight i guess (over 30kg with everything).
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    It's free for a limited time (website account needed)
    www.softube.com

    VCA Compressor

    VCA Compressor plugin is quirky, characterful, unique, and highly acclaimed. Modeled on legendary hardware, this mixing plugin has a grabby, vintage character, and modern features for mixing and production. The combination gives users snap and sheen plus superior Softube sound quality and an...
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    Look like it modeled after vca dbx 165A
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    I felt like Luka's users are reducing each years, maybe others non AI voicebank suffers the same issue too? I don't know much about vbs popularity, maybe i have to start watching vocaloid ranking again.

    Talking about sound is quite subjective but in the use case, Luka's is like an odd balls among all crypton family with questionable gimmick like EVEC. Yes, she sound unique and no other voicebanks is like her but this apply to other banks too.

    Her voicebank is full of issues like inconsistency of phonemes editing, inconsistency of vibrato, lack of smoothness, glitches, audio warping, weird noise in certain performance, excessive fundamental tone, rather poor optimal range handling, poor harmonics handling etc etc. This just scratch only surface though, with all of this issues, the complexity level start to add up very quickly. After you done tuning then you have to deal with her again during mixing and because of her poor harmonics performance, she can be perceived as sound weak or strained and combine with Luka's excessive fundamental tone, her voice can be ear piercing and that's not a good combination.

    Either peoples get tired of using her or finding better alternative so it wouldn't surprise me.
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    Maybe it just me but i don't like EQ with graph and curves that much because there is tendency that i try to make a EQ curves look beauty rather than make it sound beauty. Do you guy are victims too?
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    It sould be hard looking at what I'm cutting out if it's by ear and knobs only. Then again I'm completely inexperienced with mixing and don't touch it beyond presets and just having it there just because.
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    Oh, that's quite the opposite to me, when i use eq with fixed band i usually spend time with eq less than a minute but when i use something like pro-q i tend to spend a lot of time tweaking it.
    I still remember back then, there is a eq module with only 3 band with fix frequency point (4-4.5 band is considered a luxury) and it's so so hard to go wrong when eqing even though have 0 experience, i still do decently well with it.

    Some old analog mixer don't even have eq, so i have to used gain as eq.
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    If OS keep getting upgrade to the point that your software (DAW, vocal synth editor etc..) are not working anymore and this is the software that you depend on it everyday. What do you do?

    Stop upgrades your OS in order to keep using the software? or finding alternative software?

    I just curious, because there is a lot of peoples who still use 15-20+ year old software everyday.
    I mean, some producers that i know still using Windows XP.
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    I would say stop getting OS upgrades, because the software I use is all I care about. for vocal synth and DAW software is not easy to just say "use a virtual machine" or "use linux with wine software to use it" because in those cases there will easily be some audio lag/issues.
    indeed, many producers and companies of all kinds still use windows xp or windows 7, and because buying an used PC with win xp is very cheap, I support them. In the meantime, I would also look for some alternatives for the future, or just buy some extra old PCs :haiyi_ani_lili:
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    I completely forgot about buying extra old laptop. I'm still using my old toshiba laptop that i use for programming the rhythm sequence and midi mapping for live performance, it's such a well build machine but it's already exceeding it's lifespan(27y/o laptop). The program i use is very old too and it doesn't work with modern CPU and if i use modern sequence control software, i cannot use my old keyboard and sound rack. This seems to be the only option i have.

    I do use a up to date DAW like reaper, mostly for editing, recording and mixing, but when actually i making a song and anything sound design i still use cubase 5 (2007 i think). I fear that one day my vocaloid 4 will not work anymore because it's too old to keep up with modern hardware and software.
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    Happy birthday!
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    You may heard peoples saying that if buying doesn't mean you owning it then piracy isn't stealing and justified. I don't agree with this and i think a lot of peoples have a similar idea like me.

    But after i saw a lot of "questionable" move by the companies and some even more absurd... My opinions start to shift... Who knows? They might even support piracy behind the wall.
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    Just to be clear though, i'm not trying to say that i'm going to sail the high seas or doing something similar. It just inside my mind for a long time now and there is a TONS of examples but there is one like Reason studios. I bought perpetual licenses from them (complete bundle) to use their instruments in rewire mode, i considered myself a royal customer to them since i support them whenever i can (i think their stuff is great) and just 2-3 months ago and they decided to shutdown offline authorization out of tin air and older reason (anything below version 8) are no longer supported, which mean i CANNOT uninstall the software because if i uninstall the reason i will lost my licenses forevers. Unfortunately i use my new machine and i have to reinstall everything without knowing it.

    Yes, i do contact them with "reason".. all i asked them is very simple.. move my old license to a new version of reason that support online authorization and i offer them to charge me with reasonable fee or removing copy protection from my old reason so i can continute using it.
    I offer them generosity and fairness. This is what their employee reply me: I'm afraid that non of your proposed resolusions are feasible, removing the authorization system from software is impossible.

    When i bought a software licenses i honoring their users agreements and TOS every single word. All they do is basically snatch the software license out of my hand and spit on my face and rub all over it.

    There is many example similar to this like w*ves, av*d, PA, harr*son etc etc.. and it become a trend now. I don't think i will take revenge on offending company since there is nothing good came out of it. At least i learned that even these multi-million dollar companies CANNOT be trusted.
    mobius017
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    Ah, those are crappy moves on Reason's part, for sure. I hate subscription-based pricing, and especially when a company that didn't previously use it forces people to go over to it. I'm a bit concerned that PreSonus will start doing that with Studio One, actually, since they've been really pushing Studio One+ (their subscription where you pay every month to get everything they offer) recently. If they start forcing people to use that, I'll seriously have to consider switching DAWs--maybe to Cubase or FL Studio (not sure what their pricing is, though). It just seems hard to accept for a hobbyist to pay 1) every month for something that I want to feel free to do/not do during a given month as I see fit (since I'm making music as a hobby/to be creative/for fun, rather than as a job), 2) for a large number of tools that I probably won't use, and 3) with no control over when that price will increase in the future.
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    I'm sorry for the rant, if you wanted to switching DAWs (maybe in future) i highly recommend FL Studio... it just too good. If you ok with their working environment and you get a free lifetime upgrade with compatitive price and they kept their promise since first version of FL, At least you can rest assured that they wont stab you in the back.

    Cubase is overpriced with annoying dongle, Price is around 580-ish USD without physical dongle.
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    I'm a little surprised that this channel would have a content that can reach 1000+ views

    One of the few covers that i actually feel emotionally attached to while i making it. Aside from Pierce the Clear Blue Sky and The 15-Year Old Assertion. Maybe that's why Luka sounds very different from other cover i made and it take quite a long time to edit too (like 2 month-ish inside vocaloid editor), i do like imprint my singing style in all of my cover but most of the time it didn't fit well with the song overall.

    Actually. . . i don't think luka would work with this song since keys of this song it's wayyyy outside luka range (like a octave higher).
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    While im try to compared between Nico premium versus YT premium, Nico at least give you something regularly, even though you are just regular users. Meanwhile YT regular users, well. . . you might experience it already.
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    I personally have Youtube premium, but it's mostly a quality of life change? No ads, you can watch some films for free ect. + Youtube Music is decent as an alternative to Spotify/Apple if you're not already paying for a service. I don't know what NND gives though for premium so I can't speak on it. :o
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    Offhand, I believe Nico premium offers the ability to replace an already uploaded video (presumably without losing the existing views/comments/etc.), to stop and resume watching a video without losing your place, to remove ads, and to upload a video and schedule when it becomes visible. I'm sure there are other benefits, too; there's probably a page that describes it somewhere.

    The scheduled video feature would be awesome for Vocacolle. Though I want to think Premium costs about $60/year...which isn't bad, though it's a chunk for the benefit of scheduling two videos a year. Doesn't mean I wouldn't consider going for it, since I basically have to take a day off work in order to participate without the video scheduling feature.

    At the same time, I kind of like having to actually be there when the contest starts and do the upload manually--it's exciting, and makes you feel like you're really participating.

    You can also get the scheduled video feature by leveling up your Nico account to level 18 (I think.), though I'm not sure I've found an explanation of what/how much you have to do to level up your account. If anything, I'm guessing it's based on how many videos you post/your engagement with other videos.
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    Nico offers a ticket very often, something like -85% discount coupon or super bonus lottery ticket and there is a lot more than i can count and this is just normal account. For a Nico premium users you get a little more benefits than normal account. But i have to admit that YT have more potential than Nico even though, you can make a tiny profits from YT it's... so very little when compare to a YT decaded ago.
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    Beautiful singing performance.
    I can feel the warmth

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    If you prefer vocal synth version, i made a UTAU cover of this song like 1-2 years ago


    There's alot of things need to be considered when choosing voicebanks for a song (maybe it just me), i still think Renri is better than luka for a song like this.
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    This kinda weird question but do you change your smartphone often? and how long you hold on to it?
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    When the phone doesn't support latest phone only piapro app such as HATSUNE MIKU:COLORFUL STAGE, which is Whenever (my phone still not supported).
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    I only upgrade when my phone either breaks or I have a free upgrade through my cell phone plan e.e
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    Three years seems to be about what I do. I bought my iPhone 14S last year, an iPhone SE in 2020 and the phone before that was a used 6S I bought around 2017. Getting a current flagship definitely makes for a smoother experience than a midrange or older phone...
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