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VOCALOID What's Wrong with the Western Community of Vocaloid?

caustic

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Most of the problems now are just social issues rather than issues. Unfortunately the western community (Vocaloid, UTAU, etc) have a very "I'm right, you're wrong, shut up" kind of mentality that creates a lot of conflict, for one.
Really just talking to people in the community can be a mine field to the point that even just passive advice or light banter can be framed as an attack. Some semi-well known users have been seen sending groups at one person for it.

Hmm, right now the community is also quite "drama addicted", to the point they actually like to recreate situations just to stir up trouble. So you'll find you may encounter a lot of trouble if you use any form of social media. There aren't many "real" problems in the community at the moment, it's just people getting really bored and doing whatever they can.

Unfortunately, the English speaking side of the community has had so many problems that it has sort of become a safe haven for users who got ostracized by their language micro-community due to their bad behavior.

You'll find that a lot of the more respected members of the community actually do NO social interaction and just pump out content, this is why. Opening your mouth for any reason just isn't worth it.

If you want to have the best experience, you may want to restrict your public discussions to forums and stay socially neutral there. Beyond that you should find a tightly knit group (ie, a discord server) you can talk with some people with.

As always, remember that this is the internet and emotions and intentions cannot be understood from text alone. If you have concern, then contact the person in question rather than jumping down their throats because you don't know who you may hurt and how it may affect you.
Also with social media like twitter, remember that the impact of very short and neutral phrases is very small and it's not much of a platform for in-depth and thoughtful communication. It's just a place for people to word vomit without context late at night.

It's very different from the Japanese community in various aspects, but I don't know many details. I do know that some of the larger communities are either invite or request only.
Drama seems to be more contained there and short lived while the western community loves to talk about things publicly for years and reference years old events to hurt users later on.

Keep in mind that the "western" community is quite large. Most consider that to be any part of the community outside of Japan. It may be easier to separate it based on primary language for specific regions when discussing it. Such as North America, Central/South America, UK, Europe, West Asia, East Asia, etc, etc.
 

caustic

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As for music writing, the community gains a lot of disrespect from communities outside of vocal synth due to the quality of the music and lyric writing.
Unfortunately, vocal synth doesn't exactly drive people to learn proper theory and other related tasks. They more just want to write a paragraph and have their favorite voice sing it in consistent quarter notes.

Many producers have been around for years and haven't show much improvement and some even are objectively worse as they become to comfortable doing the same thing over and over.

As for "edgy" songs, a lot of people make very rant-y, self-loathing, and/or self-indulgent songs that tend to not have much thought put in. More like a poorly sung diary entry than an actual song.
People don't really relate to this and they get a sense they are listening to a therapy session than an actual song.
You'll find that a lot of (non-vocalsynth) bands that do this actually put a lot of thought into song in a way that allow people to relate or understand without it dragging on forever. Even a lot of Japanese vocaloid producers to this and that why you'll find so many people in youtube comments talking about how the song "resonates with them".

If you've heard one, you've pretty much heard them all. Since many people have a lot of the same personal issues it just get very tiring.
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On the other side, we also have a lot of music that vaguely translates to "I/you are a terrible person and we don't need to improve, lets scream and rejoice!" which makes a lot of people upset. But most don't care because the song is catchy in some way.

It's a mix of issues. A lot of it stemming from lack of effort, poor lyrics, poor-execution, topics of self-loathing, nihilism, egotistical/overly-confident(placing yourself highly), patronizing, or a mix of those. Not every song is like this but those tend to be easy to find due to sheer volume.
 

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