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lIlI

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For those that enjoy seeing traditional music journalism's coverage of the vocal synth community, Billboard's year end article is always an interesting read. Mio Komachi's work shows an insider's understanding of the medium.

My one criticism is how the author downplays controversies involving the musicians. For example, criticism regarding Kaai Yuki being used in sexually provocative songs did not stem from her being 'characterised as a nine year old', but from being voiced by one. 'Characterised' implies fiction, and obfuscates the involvement of a real child. This is deliberately misleading - bias typical of an outlet closely tied to the promotion of artists.

On the other hand, their analysis of trends in Vocaloid is very observant and well-put:
And with platforms consolidating around YouTube and TikTok, global connections have naturally become part of the landscape. Amala’s “DaiDaiDaiDaiDaikirai” (No. 7), conceived as a successor to “Mesmerizer” and again featuring Hatsune Miku and Kasane Teto, also highlights how the pair are often portrayed as opposites, a depiction that may stem from their differing origins as a Vocaloid and an UTAU-born voicebank. The internet memes and the layers of sentiment that have accumulated around these virtual singer characters can themselves function as a force that broadens the expressive range available to them.
Even if you're deep enough in the fandom that these articles won't reveal anything new, I consider them worth a read!
 

Bookworm2

Your friendly neighborhood Vocaloid nerd
I don't know if this has been posted already, but I may as well share it. The Miku Expo 2026 song contest winner has been posted! The winner is "Room for a Fantasy" by nostraightanswer. Interestingly, this was the first year where all the Cryptonloids were accepted into the pool of songs, yet Miku won regardless. As well, this is in English! It's not the best English, I could barely understand anything my first listen without lyrics, but it's still English! Out of the runner-ups, only 2 of them were not using Miku: “FEEDBACK” feat. Megurine Luka by isidore. & MonochroMenace and BAD@ENGLISH (STUDY JELLY) feat. Kagamine Rin by Ani Meida.

Official Site: HATSUNE MIKU EXPO 2026 Song Contest
 

MagicalMiku

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hehe yes, there is the Miku Expo 2026 thread about it: :gumi_lili:
https://vocaverse.network/threads/miku-expo-2026.10222/post-61083
but don't worry:meiko_lili: I like that you wrote your impressions also here!:sonika_lili:
I'd like to add one thing about the contest: the rule about accepting all Piapro characters has been in the Magical Mirai contest in the last few years as well, in fact Magical Mirai 2024 winner song, "Superhero", was featured by Len!:len_smile_lili:
 

Bookworm2

Your friendly neighborhood Vocaloid nerd
hehe yes, there is the Miku Expo 2026 thread about it: :gumi_lili:
https://vocaverse.network/threads/miku-expo-2026.10222/post-61083
but don't worry:meiko_lili: I like that you wrote your impressions also here!:sonika_lili:
I'd like to add one thing about the contest: the rule about accepting all Piapro characters has been in the Magical Mirai contest in the last few years as well, in fact Magical Mirai 2024 winner song, "Superhero", was featured by Len!:len_smile_lili:
Oh, sorry! I didn't see that. I meant that it's the first year that Miku Expo allowed non-Miku Vocaloids.
 

Bookworm2

Your friendly neighborhood Vocaloid nerd
VocaDB has also released their Top 100 vocal synths by song pages added to the database this year, I thought it would be interesting to turn it into a giant pie chart.





It's striking how evenly divided most of the chart is, the majority of vocal synths making up similar percentages. Miku and Teto are vast outliers to a distant third place.
What the heck is Luka doing up there?! She's not that popular, is she? And above GUMI? Something seems wrong with these readings...
 

MagicalMiku

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Luka is indeed popular (she also gets many artworks, goods, plushies and figures), but her songs releases depend more on to the producers' schedule and some events (for example, her anniversary or some planned Project Sekai events or live events like Magical Mirai and Miku Expo):luka_lili:🎈
 

wrong_thyme

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according to this, frimomen is the most popular non-crypton masc vocal (#30), surpassing gackpo (#34).
this doesn't really surprise me, he's pretty much the only "mascot" native japanese dude on synthv. his competition is kiyoteru (whom i love, but his design has always been basic)... and the letter squad (and genbu, but he's not ai). wow, jp companies are really allergic to making male voices, huh?
 

lIlI

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What the heck is Luka doing up there?! She's not that popular, is she? And above GUMI? Something seems wrong with these readings...
You're right to be a little confused! I'll quote what I said in the SynthV Discussion thread about VocaDB statistics, as it still applies:
Caveats:
  • VocaDB relies not just on a vocal synth's popularity among producers, but the popularity of a vocal synth among VocaDB editors. As such it cannot be considered a perfect correlation to the overall popularity of any vocal synth.
  • Being a primarily English site, it's biased in favour of vocal synths with strong English-speaking fandoms. Obvious examples are the inflation of Megurine Luka's popularity, and Luo Tianyi being critically under-documented.
  • A single productive editor can boost the number of entries for a particular vocal synth.
I am fairly certain that Megurine Luka is overrepresented on VocaDB, because her ranking does not correlate with any of the recent Vocacolle rankings, where she isn't even in the top 15. It's unlikely that Luka users are simply abstaining from Vocacolle en masse: so what this probably indicates is that Luka is more popular with English speakers (VocaDB users) than with Japanese producers. This means Luka songs have a higher likelihood of being documented on VocaDB. On the opposite end of the spectrum, vocal synths like Nurse Robo, Zundamon, and Chis-A are very popular with Japanese producers, but little known among English fans. This causes their songs to be less well documented on VocaDB, resulting in a VocaDB ranking that is out of sync with the number of songs created using them. It's important to remember that every VocaDB entry is added manually, by a fan or power user.

If I were simply dedicated, I could spend the next year adding Chinese VSinger songs to VocaDB, and move the majority of them up significantly in the rankings. Luo Tianyi has performed in the literal Olympics, and theoretically has a song count that might rival Miku's (if her commercial presence in China is any indication). Who knows where she would rank with accurate documentation.
 
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