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  • It's facinating studying the different groups of vocal synth users that have developed since it became more user friendly. There's the core character fandom where SynthV Teto and Vocaloid Miku reign supreme, then there's normal working musicians who recomend you 'get yourself a Solaria - oh and also there's this other program you need to download with it it's like an engine or something idk'.
    lIlI
    lIlI
    I'm glad Eclipsed Sounds is using their powers to develop more niche voicebanks now they've got the basics finally covered for everyone. Certain other companies from around the V3 era (naming no names...:clara_ani_lili:) would have seen the same success and decided to develop Solaria2, Solaria3, Solaria4, Solaria5, Solaria6
    Vector
    Vector
    It was kind of weird seeing Dr Mix do a video about ACE Studio, when he's not really part of the vocal synth scene. He's just enthusiastic (understatement of the century) about synths and audio tools, so it was more from the perspective of being able to make a song without having a singer, just like you don't need a drummer.

    The weirder thing is all of the comments on videos like that, which act like it's this totally new thing and how it's going to ruin everything with its AI-ness. Like...Yamaha's been doing this since 2000. It's just a refinement of the same principle.
    Vocaloid Beta Studio has ended support as planned, interestingly in their feedback survey they directly asked if people preferred tuning/making files in CeVIO or SynthV. Is this Yamaha planning on fighting back in the near future...?! I'm ready to see what market competition has them cooking.
    Though a completely valid take, it is very funny seeing the opinion 'I prefer Vocaloid Gumi because she sounds robotic', because if you'd dared say Gumi sounded robotic during the pre-AI era you would have been JUMPED
    AddictiveCUL (Add)
    AddictiveCUL (Add)
    @Nova No, my favorite correction would be "SOME people...".
    lIlI
    lIlI
    @AddictiveCUL (Add) I think you misread my original post, haha.

    Although in the interest of good debating practice, sometimes using 'some' is misleading, because it implies insignificance. For example, only around 3% of ticks carry lime disease, but it is correct to say 'ticks cause lime disease'. In English, this type of statement does not mean 'all ticks carry lime disease', it means 'this is a widespread, significant issue, prevelant enough that you must constantly consider it when interacting with this thing'. So for a widespread phenomenon, a simple, general statement is the best choice! e.g. 'Vocaloid Gumi was considered realistic for her era' is a correct statement, 'Some people considered Vocaloid Gumi realistic' is incorrect, because it implies only a small number of people held this opinion. Sometimes people use 'some' to sneakily downplay things, so watch out for it!
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    it is interesting how as time changes opinions like that start to come up. when some of those vocaloids were first coming out and getting tuned very well there was a lot of "theyre so realistic now!" but that was by that time's standards. now, our standards/expectations of a realistic sounding vocsynth is different, and the old vocaloids are noticeably dated. back in 2010s or whatever it was more agreeable to say some of them sounded realistic bc its all we knew so, there was more potential for arguments if you said one sounded robotic when people were praising its realism... but now that we have made steps forward once more people take that old sound and define it as its own style rather than an insult to quality. i think we'd have a similar argument of 2010s loids being "insulted" as robotic today if someone were to complain that a reall realistic AI synth sounded robotic, i think. but it is interesting seeing more open preference for "robotic" when initially that would have been seen as a bad thing!
    Eclipsed Sounds mentioned this in their blog, a good reminder that it's always worth reaching out to companies with requests/feedback:

    "We also are finally in a place where we can go through and begin working even more user requests into our plans! Do you have an idea for an event we could host? What kind of vocals do you want us to pursue next? Is there a convention or conference you want to see Eclipsed Sounds at in the future? Please feel free to let us know any time using our contact form!"
    Had a producer say my work sounded clean on their monitors, meaning I somehow achieved a successful mix with only headphones, bad ears, and a dream hell YEAAA
    Comparing new and old popular voicebanks made me realise how similar Chis-A and Meiko are in their vocal vibes. I didn't even realise they had the same general voicetype before because Meiko is so much more grounded in terms of her visuals. I always enjoyed Meiko, so it's bittersweet to know she could have been a smash hit with an updated engine and a funkier look.
    Random observations from listening to a bunch of popular Vocaloid songs:

    Japanese songs from producers with medium experience levels often have unusually mixed vocals that sit dryly on top of the instrumental. I think this is probably just the result of producers struggling to do everything. The fact that many of these songs are successful regardless goes to show that a song can still be widely enjoyed even if the mixing is a little crude.

    Songs from English speakers also have issues with vocal mixing, but for different reasons. The most common problem I hear is lyrics that are too quiet. This seems to have a bigger impact on the song's popularity: we instinctively try and focus on vocals, straining our ears when they're hard to hear. This makes the listening experience tiring.

    In general, the biggest thing that separates a very popular producer from one with medium popularity is their ability to write lyrics with naturalistic rhythms, like iambic pentameter, that fit the rhythm of the instrumental. It sounds like a small thing, but it goes a huge way to making even the most robotic vocal synth accessible to any audience. A Vocaloid2 singing a vocal melody with natural stress patterns sounds less jarring than a SynthV singing lyrics with an unnatural stress pattern.

    English speaking producers sometimes make the mistake of transferring the rhythm of their favourite Japanese song onto their own, creating the strange effect of English stanzas sung with a rhythm meant for a different language. Interestingly, this makes the song sound like it was translated, and is a sound that's basically unique to our community.
    Spent time waiting for a video to render doing the Every Vocaloid Design tierlist. I tried to completely ignore the voice and focus purely on the design; putting some of my faves near the bottom hurt, but their fashion just wasn't my style...

    mixing tutorial man: with this simple move you can hear how we completely fixed this horrible sound. what an astounding difference.

    me hearing absolutely zero audible change: :mell_lili: :kanatomell_lili:
    VyNancyV6
    VyNancyV6
    Mixing tutorial Man on YT: remove background noise us simple just use this plugin

    Mixing tutorial man on tiktok: bro, fuck that plugin, use this plugin and automatically deletes any bad sound

    Mixing tutorial man on a blog: this is easy bro, use this 2 plugins and the problem is gone



    Me: i barely know how to use EQ2 Reverb2 and Fruity Limiter
    IO+
    IO+
    Most mixing tutorial is assuming that viewer have some expierence, ears training and skill requirements to be fully utilized, even then it is still subjective about perceiving sound, some people may hear nothing or may hear it differently or it just sound better to that person. Peoples are different.
    Monitoring enviroment, expierence, and ears training is play a big role here and this just a presumption.

    Think about it this way, you may look at blue color and you think it's blue BUT is that your blue is the same as other? They basically assuming that you see the blue color the same as their blue.
    AddictiveCUL (Add)
    AddictiveCUL (Add)
    One good trick is to compare. A lot of mixing is actually heareable if you compare the subject of the tutorial in relation to something the teacher didn't touch. Also know what every VST does an how they works helps a lot.
    Praying for Kiyoteru to get a tuxedo SynthV design, his final form...
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