How much phoneme editing do engloids need? I have never used an engloid (excluding Eleanor & Maki), but I am thinking of maybe getting Oliver sometime soon. Also, how hard is Oliver to use?
VOCALOID Engloid reviews + opinions
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I don't have much experience with Oliver myself since I've only tried him a bit, but here's a sliding scale of what I do have:
AVANNA: A few touch-ups here and there. Has nice, natural pronunciation but can be a bit hard to understand, though proper equalizing might help.
Miku V4 English: Some pronunciation fixes, some things are pretty frustrating to try to fix tbh but she's not necessarily a total nightmare to use imo?
Miku V3 English: A large system of pronunciation fixes, nothing impossible to get used to. You can't just delete her accent though so you have to not mind some accent showing through xD
In both Mikus' cases some cross-synthesis might fix each other's problems.
Wow, I basically forgot about this thread!
Gonna be honest, with how much I use English Vocaloid, I've kind of gotten used to its quirks. It's hard to say how much phoneme editing a Vocaloid requires since it depends what you want to use it for. The thing with Oliver is his volume inconsistencies, and his warbling choir-y tone doesn't lend itself well to projects where you need the singer to be understandable. Avanna's consonants are her real weak point >.<
Gonna be honest, with how much I use English Vocaloid, I've kind of gotten used to its quirks. It's hard to say how much phoneme editing a Vocaloid requires since it depends what you want to use it for. The thing with Oliver is his volume inconsistencies, and his warbling choir-y tone doesn't lend itself well to projects where you need the singer to be understandable. Avanna's consonants are her real weak point >.<
Resident Oliver user @peaches2217 can probably help you, lol!
He’s… not beginner-friendly. Or intermediate-friendly. Not exactly advanced-friendly either, let’s be real. In terms of difficulties working around his issues, I’d put him on-par, quality-wise, with Sonika. That said, he’s not impossible to get good results with, as his plethora of popular songs shows, it’s just a matter of patience and acceptance of his limitations. If you’re looking for an Engloid that’s smooth and easy to use, look as far from Oliver as possible, but if you don’t mind those issues or if you just like Oliver’s voice, I say go for it!
Regarding phoneme editing, Engloids don’t need nearly as much of it as the fandom likes to insist they do. An edit here and there to help aid in smooth transition and natural pronunciation makes all the difference; everything else is just nitpicky.
Wouldn't Fukase be a good Engloid for beginners?
I would say that if you want Oliver but are too rookie to him, Fukase is the closest best option :D
It has a British accent like all japonloids, but I didn't find it too difficult to use or understand.
Mind you, I'm not a native English speaker at all lol
Oh, people also say that his licence is very restrictive, but I don't know much about that, sorry.
I would say that if you want Oliver but are too rookie to him, Fukase is the closest best option :D
It has a British accent like all japonloids, but I didn't find it too difficult to use or understand.
Mind you, I'm not a native English speaker at all lol
Oh, people also say that his licence is very restrictive, but I don't know much about that, sorry.
I've heard mixed things about Fukase, honestly: like Miku V4 English, he's either one of the easiest Engloids to use or one of the hardest, and I see little in-between on that. So do keep that in mind going in, but again, don't let difficulty level discourage you if you genuinely enjoy a vocal! (I've only worked with his Japanese so far, which is actually pretty difficult, but I enjoy his tone in English more, so I imagine he's easier to work with... I've gotta use his English sometime.)
Honestly, for beginners, I heavily recommend Cyber Diva/Songman. Cyva's a breeze to work with, and Songman, while a little more challenging, is so smooth and natural-sounding. If you don't use V5, you can also try Avanna! She's a cult favorite outside of the vocalsynth fandom for a good reason.
If it's a volume thing you can just use a vocal rider on them. If it's a length thing use the velocity parameter. I never really noticed a problem with avanna she sounds great out of the box a lot better than most English vocaloids.
On the subject of fukase, his English bank is really high quality for a Japanese English bank. He shares a similar voice type to Oliver and Len. He doesn't suffer from Oliver's poor recordings and breathy husk that makes Oliver hard to understand. But they both require a good EQ and mixing. If you are good at actual mixing then I would recommend them both.
On the subject of fukase, his English bank is really high quality for a Japanese English bank. He shares a similar voice type to Oliver and Len. He doesn't suffer from Oliver's poor recordings and breathy husk that makes Oliver hard to understand. But they both require a good EQ and mixing. If you are good at actual mixing then I would recommend them both.