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General Discussion Thread

MagicalMiku

♡Miku♡
Apr 13, 2018
1,811
Sapporo
so I was curious about it, and I did some little research!:miku_sakura_lili:
(please note I did research only Piapro characters from 2007 to today, and also in some cases, the numbers are not meant to be exclusive to one character, but for example a song can be a duet and so have 2 characters in the tags, or an artwork with a group theme)

niconico video:
:miku_lili::464.682
:rin_smile_lIlI::86.595
:kaito_smile_lili::59.858
:luka_lili::54.952
:len_smile_lili::53.747
:meiko_lili::29.472

pixiv artworks:
:miku_lili::640.077
:rin_smile_lIlI::137.323
:len_smile_lili::105.165
:kaito_smile_lili::69.515
:luka_lili::52.069
:meiko_lili::25.350

piapro songs:
:miku_lili::97.765
:rin_smile_lIlI::16.705
:luka_lili::12.002
:len_smile_lili::11.611
:kaito_smile_lili::5.731
:meiko_lili::3.537

piapro artworks:
:miku_lili::183.650
:rin_smile_lIlI::66.284
:len_smile_lili::57.450
:kaito_smile_lili::45.263
:luka_lili::25.114
:meiko_lili::20.452

AmiAmi shop goods:
:miku_lili::5.075
:rin_smile_lIlI::726
:len_smile_lili::659
:luka_lili::641
:kaito_smile_lili::535
:meiko_lili::521
 

Wario94

Passionate Fan
Jan 5, 2019
219
30
so I was curious about it, and I did some little research!:miku_sakura_lili:
(please note I did research only Piapro characters from 2007 to today, and also in some cases, the numbers are not meant to be exclusive to one character, but for example a song can be a duet and so have 2 characters in the tags, or an artwork with a group theme)

niconico video:
:miku_lili::464.682
:rin_smile_lIlI::86.595
:kaito_smile_lili::59.858
:luka_lili::54.952
:len_smile_lili::53.747
:meiko_lili::29.472

pixiv artworks:
:miku_lili::640.077
:rin_smile_lIlI::137.323
:len_smile_lili::105.165
:kaito_smile_lili::69.515
:luka_lili::52.069
:meiko_lili::25.350

piapro songs:
:miku_lili::97.765
:rin_smile_lIlI::16.705
:luka_lili::12.002
:len_smile_lili::11.611
:kaito_smile_lili::5.731
:meiko_lili::3.537

piapro artworks:
:miku_lili::183.650
:rin_smile_lIlI::66.284
:len_smile_lili::57.450
:kaito_smile_lili::45.263
:luka_lili::25.114
:meiko_lili::20.452

AmiAmi shop goods:
:miku_lili::5.075
:rin_smile_lIlI::726
:len_smile_lili::659
:luka_lili::641
:kaito_smile_lili::535
:meiko_lili::521
It looks like Miku is always first, Rin is always second and Meiko is always last.
 

lIlI

Staff member
Moderator
Apr 6, 2018
932
The Lightning Strike
Butcher Vanity recently hit 10 million views! This is a big achievement for any song, especially one featuring an avatar-less voicebank with only a cult following beforehand.


I have a theory about its popularity: I believe Butcher Vanity broke out as an indie hit, not a vocal synth hit. My hypothesis is that most casual BV fans were/are under the impression that Yi Xi is a real person, and don't perceive it as a 'Vocaloid song'. This is based both on comments I've seen anecdotally, and the simple maths of the song's viewcount far exceeding the number of people aware of the Dreamtonic's letter voicebanks, or even SynthV as a whole.

This suggests that support for the song is coming at least partially from 'normal' music listeners on the basis of its themes and catchiness: a rare example of a vocal synth artist achieving virality abstracted from the vocal synth community.

I wonder what other examples of songs made by vocal synth producers have broken out of the fandom to achieve a different type of cult success? I believe Ghost as a producer achieved this by growing their own fandom based around their OCs, and going back there's been meme songs like Nyanayanayanayan that went viral with the general internet populace. There are also vocal synth songs with extremely high viewcounts that are fansongs for other media, that are barely known here, but popular with their target audience.
 

morrysillusion

v flower enthusiast
Jul 14, 2018
851
25
Socal
morrysillusion.net
Butcher Vanity and other similar "hits" in recent years (Ghost definitely comes to mind here) are very interesting for me to watch explode in popularity as someone with a lot of time spent in animation/oc/meme community on youtube (it has now become an even bigger community on tiktok, which i do not use and so i do now know how everything feels there exactly) because when i see a song like this with its visuals/art/"story" it makes so much sense as to how it takes off. artists like Ghost and Ferry gather a similar audience with their story/character focused songs, which also dont (always) use vocal synths' designs as the face of their work, which attracts more people imo. Animation meme community that originated on YT is what modern tiktok takes after HEAVILY especially, so this general genre of vocal synth music has taken off pretty well. the creator of this song made an easily meme-able format with its simple character, colors, and repetition which many replicated in their own videos with their own ocs or fandoms. the song itself creating clear imagery/metaphors to go off of is ripe for interpretation visually, easy to insert your own story when you hear it.

what trends/goes viral for music is always bit a bit random, vocal synth or not. but vocal synth artists have already always had such a focus on 'character visuals' and many classic vocal synth songs telling stories even before this- but i think for BV there was some benefit in it not being recognizable as a vocal synth song by some, people went to it with no prior impressions. and additionally, the lack of knowledge on who Yi Xi was probably makes it more welcoming to insert whoever you want (versus a miku song, many will likely only think of miku with it. who is yi xi? she doesnt have a design, and the BV design is very simple and vague/not greatly associated with yi xi anyways!) (and personally this is what i would hope for the use of 'characterless' banks like yi xi, id really love to see use of vocal synths in a way that doesnt specifically make a point of them being a voc synth)

anyways, its hard to describe everything im thinking here because there is so much history and length to the trends of this kind of music going viral (but i sure do sit back and watch it happen), and the kinds of communities that take them and run lol. it was no surprise to me to see the song take off the way it did (not saying that as a bad thing. i just notice the traits after some time)
 

Midori

Dancer in The Dark
Oct 28, 2021
52
22
because that's only a chart of NicoNico uploads from mid-August to mid-November, that's it. As I wrote in the previous message, to check a character popularity NicoNico is not enough, you should check the number of Twitter posts, Pixiv artworks, Piapro songs/artworks, and goods releases. In fact, Luka got various goods in this period thanks to Magical Mirai and some SEGA figures and plushies. Also, during summer there was the NicoNico outage (for a couple of months), and while it's true there was the SuperPack release, I think most Luka producers are waiting for her anniversary to release new songs and albums (and when there will be a Luka V6/NT2, you can be sure there will be more and more songs) :luka_lili:🎁🎈
for example:✨
This year was Luka's 15th anniversary so I'm shocked more songs didn't release but the NicoNico outage probably played a part in that as well. The superpack was horrible but I'm hoping that with V6/NT2 she'll sound like herself again.
 

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