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  • ive been getting into 3D modelling recently and just finished my first ever model (textured, rigged, etc!) been trying to get ideas of what to tackle next to keep practicing and realized i can....make my own v flower model now. ages ago i tried being into MMD and edited some MMD models to make my own flowers. but now i have to power to make it just how i want....
    of course being able to get rid of some vocaloids i dont use now is making me think "oh you know i liked [loid] a lot maybe i should buy it now..." like goddammit, the cycle never ends
    patuk
    patuk
    When you get the urge try going on utau/DV hunt, it's at least free :clara_ani_lili:
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    thats true lol! i try to also consider the future and how little i tend to deviate from two vocaloids anyways lmao.... i need self restraint
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    every so often i hear a decent original song using Oliver and like, i think his tone is great and i love it and it makes me wanna use him for originals bc theres really no engloid with that voice. but i also dont wanna be another Disturbing Oliver Original Song Maker so i think thats why i dont want to use him lol
    mahalisyarifuddin
    mahalisyarifuddin
    I don't really hear English voicesynth songs very often, but it's totally okay if you don't want to make songs with certain common theme. Variety is good nonetheless!
    VocaloSynthesis
    VocaloSynthesis
    Honestly, if that‘s the type of song you‘d want to write, I say go for it! The most important part is to have fun and enjoy the final product!
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    thank you guys for the positive encouragement. i guess as my status has a little personal experience i did not describe lol so its a bit too vague on why ive strayed from using oliver.

    i wrote a pretty personal song years ago using Oliver and while i liked it, the sort of comments i got felt.... insensitive to the actual topic i was venting and i was feeling like it was just 'another creepy oliver song for oliver fans to flock to' and not 'a very personal topic to bring awareness'. the issue is mainly feeling like having the vocaloid name "oliver" slapped on it will only lead to those kinds of fans.... this is, whollly just one expirience that has since made me feel that way. but ive considered trying to work past this by using him again, maybe trying to combat some of the specific attention of oliver fans by just not...naming the vocaloid in the song, perhaps.

    of course theres a whole other topic to be had about venting through art and the way people interpret it. in the sense that i can in no way control it. but i was mostly put off by (at the time) swarming oliver fans only wanting weird oliver songs due to other popular artists doing the same. i didnt want my songs to be grouped with that i think
    i remember when synth v initially got announced and i wasnt super into the engine noise (it wasnt worse than cevio though). i never liked moresampler because i didnt like how much it made voices "fuzzy" even if it worked well with some. but hey, theres been some major improvements in synth v since.... some banks sound better than others tbh, but it doesnt sound real good now. so i question why cevio still sounds Like That
    patuk
    patuk
    Moresampler is personally my go-to resampler but I def agree on SV, I like it like most ppl do but I wish it was more consistent with it's results, the way SV vbs react and how fuzzy they get is all over the place and I suspects the samples aren't the only cauze. The G1 web editor Saki is actually clearer than the current version of her. Again I like SV but I kinda feel like the resampler works better in utau.
    parallax_fifths
    parallax_fifths
    I'm quite certain that SynthV has aliasing issues, which can get better or worse depending upon internal sample rate and export sample rate settings. But such things shouldn't matter if proper anti-aliasing measures were implemented. Regardless, that wouldn't fix the overall noise issue, but it would get rid of some of the unpleasant tones, especially at higher pitches.
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    there is sooo much i could go on and on about with the way maghni-ai is looking rn so i wont keep adding to the main thread lol.... in the end i would love to see it succeed in some form, even if it has like 10% of the expected features tbh lol. i wouldnt wish for failure but i cant say i expect much from its current development
    god this might be unpopular but as much as i love the art and general sound of kairiki bear's music i just...barely listen to him anymore bc his style is just so same-y. kinda makes me sad bc i have no interest in the songs :/ theyre definitely good but they all just sound way too similar for me to want to listen to new ones....
    Krin
    Krin
    Literally thought the same thing after hearing their newest song. It's like, the same songs just a different melody. They're not terrible but tbh I kinda got sick of them bcos of the fact they're all the same. There are only two songs I can say I really like / are memorable imo
    Kafu is such a conflict because every time i hear an original song with her im like "yeah, this sounds good" because for the most part the voicebank does sound good, but its that quality and tone that make me suffer. its like every time i am almost tempted to consider buying her because its *almost* what i want.... but the quality issues and the chipmunk voice issues are enough that its just not worth supporting and dropping $200 on. i dont use vocaloid things enough to warrant it either, so ill sit from afar and hope users who get her consider making her sound deeper/more in line with what she couldve been....
    on positive note, i keep thinking about vocaloid fan fiction..... i have always been big into fan fic writing tbh, but i have never read vocaloid fics. its mostly because im so damn picky. and for something like vocaloid, i think i always had trouble on how to envision it? like are they normal people in a normal world? are they android in the real world? do we have some fleshed out "living in the computer" cyberspace kinda world? what is it??? and i think my lack of opinion on what i want to see has made me never read or write vocaloid fan fiction..... but ive always had some vague ideas id love to write so many....someday soon i will
    sketchesofpayne
    sketchesofpayne
    Whenever I see Vocaloid story stuff I always feel like they're actors playing a role in a production. Even in stuff like Project Sekai.
    slightly more personal note on the topic of my last status (not rly look for discussion just venting)

    it just kinda Sucks growing up online in the age i did, and being very quickly exposed to the bad behavior of fandoms centered around teen/child characters. i am unsurprisingly one of the many early internet kids who fell into the wrong crowd online- weird creepy adults whom i befriended and thought was totally normal and thus getting exposed to things i should have never seen- additionally creating and engaging in content i never should've gotten close to as young as 8 years old. (and really, lets not normalize seeing "weird stuff" (gorey, sexual things) online, its terrible for a developing child to be exposed to as 'common' as it is). i 100% grew up liking anime in the same weird way many of these creepy adults did because i thought it was normal- hell even some of the most popular ships i was introduced to in anime were adult/minor relations and it took me until the end of high school to realize that it was bad. if i wasnt aware of how others would look at such behavior and additionally came to realize the trauma i endured thanks to others that made me think that way, i may have grown into a very different person. there was an awareness to my actions because i knew it was "wrong" and "strange" but i was made to think it was good or normal to be "weird" like that.

    in the end my extreme aversion for the every growing Teen Idol obsession many adults have in this neck of the woods is no doubt thanks to my many prior traumas that have me recognizing such people are doing harm a lot of the time. its a shame because i basically have come to avoid vocaloid and anime circles more and more because i know ill just stumble across gross behavior that triggers me :/ at this point i enjoy a very select amount of vocaloid characters and just live in my own little bubble with them (namely flower and gachapoid being those characters for me). and spaces like this forum that are pretty much devoid of these fandom behaviors are good too. but every time a new character gets announced and i see its another cute teen girl im just like... alright, not interested... because im both bored of the trends and tired of the fans that constitute these companies feeding into this trend time and time again.
    this could lead to unpopular opinion-like discussion but this also covers some potentially uncomfortable subjects so im just rambling here dont mind me <3

    as much as i am still "into" vocaloid to some extent i think as time goes on i really notice how much i dont vibe with a lot of the "character" voices of right now and it all comes down to the huge want for more and more young anime girl characters. i wouldnt say i am the biggest anime nerd out there (i have enjoyed anime but have never leaned on any animes with cutesy/moe vibes) but i think i drift away from anime and anime circles because so much get immense attention is that- young cute anime girls. obviously "anime" as a whole is massive enough that yes, its not "just" cute teens, i recognize that. but when it comes down to spaces like Vocaloid, which i want so much to keep enjoying, it really does end up just being that.

    its not that i feel theres no "reason" things have turned this way, its clearly whats wanted and what makes money. people who like vocaloid/similar things want idols basically...and when theyre virtual its likely the cute teen girls will catch all the attention for those fans more- idol culture is very centered around youth and looking cute. it makes sense for money but boy it doesn't mean i find it any less weird the more i see it. i think its quite clear there is a problem when fans of virtual idols obsess over teen aniem girls.... and then further pass around sexualized content of said character. even worse is when the companies owning said character promote such content. it IS weird. its fucking gross. and its absolutely why i dont label myself under such fandom and additionally avoid them to no end. i dont want to be around weirdos who only care about fictional idols when theyre young girls and im tired of a society that feed said culture by continuing to churn out teenage girl characters for every virtual idol concept they need.

    this isnt really a formal "i want to see more male characters/mature female characters/etc" post, i just need to vent the issue in my head. i like vocal synths but yes i really dont give a single shit about every new 15 year old cute girl design that pops up. i am not surprised by any means, just continually bored and uninterested... soft voices, baby faces, underage- its the constant. its a surprise im even here at all tbh, because i know this is unlikely to ever change lol. in the end i majorly love engloids because often times american design trends dont fall into these often more japanese design trends, but it seems pretty clear this takes off in japan because of the Cute Girls. its sadly a neverending loop of doing what makes money, thus contributing to this awful culture of adult fans drooling over teens.
    VocaloSynthesis
    VocaloSynthesis
    @sketchesofpayne "They will sexualize anything."
    Yeah and i really wish it wasn't that way sjvshvsj

    I have seen a lot of very sexual comments about/art of underage characters from media i like and i wish i could erase that from my brain

    And people wonder how teenagers and young kids get hypersexual so quickly

    I mean, yeah, i like vocal synth characters, and some of them are my all time favorite characters (like Yanhe and Nana) but....yeah, this community is scary hsigsuvs
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @sketchesofpayne i agree that to some extent "everything" is sexualized tho the core difference is sitting here knowing there is a completely different vibe with teenage/underage girls being sexualized above all in the context of anime/vocaloid. and while one could say some fans do it with little thought, it doesnt take away the creep fact and as a mature adult person those fans need to think for themselves and realize, hey- that's creepy! and shouldnt be shocked when other people not within such a culture find it weird.
    the further issue is i DO think many of these people 100% know what theyre doing, bc rabid idol fans defend themselves to their graves about how much they want to obsess over teen anime girls. i get what youre saying, all in all its been normalized but it doesnt take away the responsibility of those who consume said media to recognize when they end up being a creep about it and i dont think it makes sense to give benefit of the doubt and assume everyone is just innocently consuming the content without realizing their attraction to teens.
    mobius017
    mobius017
    I really wish that the more perverse ways in which vocal synths are sometimes handled wasn't something I had to deal with. (I actually wrote a roughly 3-page short story that, among other things, touches on this...depending on your interpretation.) Not only does it make us as a fandom look really bad, but, more importantly, I can't help but feel bad for the synths when I imagine how they would feel if they could know what is sometimes being done with them.
    i forget i made this account in 2018 but it was so i could ask about an issue i had in synth v and then i just. never used the forum after that until just recently lol
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    its a shame cuz it shows that aside from a forum space like this, there really is no community space to get help on technical issues, and this place is already so light with activity in comparison to most forums! im glad this place exists. but man the vocal synth stuff is very contained when it comes to the tech end of things, and trying to seek out communities more focus on the tech
    not me looking for midis of my favorite old emo bands at midnight so i can sloppily start more english vocaloids covers ill certainly forget about by the morning
    tbh i do have a lot of english vocaloid covers i could do, and id love to finish em due to the lack of recent english centered vocaloid covers in general. but think i always loose interest to continue them bc most are obscure enough that id have to deal with making my own instrumental (which is possible with a full midi if available online and its decent, but i often dont like the results for more complicated instrumentals that use lots of instruments that are hard to replicate w what i have) or ripping the instrumental from the song with low quality results, that often ruin the end result....
    sometimes i also just dont like how much the english loids sound so Robotic/stiff. i have a song i could 100% cover and finish but i am just not satisfied w how they sound compared to the original (mostly bc its an artist i Adore so of course i think the original is great).
    Ronny777
    Ronny777
    Personally I wish there were more english covers posted on here. I'm not fluent in Japanese so it's difficult for me to fully understand and analyze the way a Vocaloid is used. so, I would love to hear what your tuning sounds like in english. I've tried sharing some stuff I've made but I've come to the conclusion that they are not very interesting to most people on this site. I don't take it to hart but I would rather people tell me if something I make is bad instead of ignore it but thats a bit of a difficult thing to ask of people.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    yeah i feel there has always been a lack of english covers and interest in them... i think one thing is ease of making covers- lots of japanese songs get UST/VSQs maybe often, and i dont even know japanese but ive always gone to cover those songs just because of that (i dont/cant make midis from scratch easily) and many other probably do too because they dont have the skill to make files from scratch. so its understandable why the fandom leans on that, aside from obvious interest in vocaloids on the japanese side. i dont even know japanese, but ive worked on covers with it so much tuning it comes pretty naturally do me now.

    sadly so much english covers just get ignored bc people just *want* to see japanese covers and songs over english ones :/ its no doubt why i like making japanese covers- i do find them easier to do but i also get more validation from them! which is kinda just the dissapointing reality when you throw your stuff out there, after realizing what gets attention over other things.

    but hopefully ill touch on some of my covers soon here and maybe pick out a few english covers i will actually finish
    @Ronny777
    decided to download Rikka AI lite just to see how it is. theres always that sort of AI fuzziness i can say i dislike in these banks (its noticeable in all synth v banks but stronger in AI ones) but i do like how much you can push her GEN up and not get a weird sound! i hope people really push it. heres a quick little cover (utilizing the AI tuning) with some of that much deeper voice using GEN


    there was a little glitch in the voice but aside from that it sounded pretty nice! didnt feel like rendering harmonies, used my old flower ones.
    EDIT: i went and put her non-AI bank on it and wow, im shocked by how different it sounds tbh. it doesnt even sound the same??? i think i like how the AI bank handles GEN because it really creates a whole new voice, but her non-AI sounds more like her, even with GEN, but after a certain point it warps the voice in a weird way (like how GEN acts with all voices after a certain point, but with AI it definitely is more natural)
    patuk
    patuk
    Both of her AI and Standard have their own strenghts and weaknesses and I wouldn't say you can use them interchnagibly for the same thing. In their default state they're pretty faithful to one another, albeit, one is softer than the other but in their behavior they're very different. As you said her AI reacts well to high gen, then both of her standard and ai react well to high tension but low tension her Standard reacts to better and it generally reacts better to manipulation with the other parameters as well. Her AI is suitable for the mor powerful tones while her Standard for the soft ones.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    yes i was definitely intrigued and surprised by how different they acted! it does show that at the very least, you arent getting the same exact thing even when you go to AI...which is good? and maybe bad? bad in the sense that, you arent gonna get the same exact sound if you expected it to be like the standard, which i did not expect to be so different lol. i do like how the AI treats some of those parameters though, it makes me excited for more AI banks tbh. im a bit unsure which i could say i "prefer" as you said, they both have their pros and cons tbh. @patuk
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    lIlI
    lIlI
    Wow she sounds amazing with gen! Makes me want an Iroha-style bank on Synth V.
    its seems im conditioned to always work on v flower covers first bc now im putting aside the gacha cover just to churn out some art for a MIRA cover video
    you know i find myself quite satisfied here as its like, my only peek into voca stuff- and this forum by itself, w how low the activity is, is really like the ideal place to consume voca content/discussion (even if the lack of activity means it lacks sometimes). i dont go to twitter, amino, tumblr, etc at all and avoid all the typical fandom drama. of course no place is perfect, sometimes things can get a bit heated in here too, but generally things cool down far easier likely due to the small number of reoccuring users versus twitter where you can get dogpiled by 15 randos who saw your tweet.

    i like curating what i take in, bc i hate fandom spaces, but i like getting news and coming in for light discussion. i can say this forum, isolated, does that to some level... and i am so glad i do not know what the fuck is up everywhere else. dont need to know!
    hm. never had V5 crash on me and for some reason it is....its not a particularly long file and it doesnt have nearly as many pitch bends as others ive already done in v5? so idk whats going on....
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