Other Software Omnivocal by... Yamaha?

[MagicalMiku]

perfection
Oi-chan dvd retail box:


Oi-chan dvd retail box (limited twins tsundere edition):


Oi-chan magazine cover for the normies:


and Oi-chan (for the normies™ ) using her own software on pc:

[Gen-AI images removed by Admin]

 

[Bookworm2]

Oh good lord that would be HILARIOUS. Yamaha, take notes. (actually wait dont please)

 

[Palamon]

I'm dying help

 

[Leon]

I'm going to be a party pooper and say that using gen AI even for "harmless" things like this isn't worth the immense energy/water consumption and I don't find it particularly cute or fun, especially since the majority of free (or even most of the paid ones I guess) are created from stolen data scraped off the internet without permission. So. Hm.

That said, I don't see anything in particular that screams "these are AI generated!" in the Yamaha ones. They're very plain designs and with solid backgrounds though, so there's little chance of complex designs or background patterns messing with things, which is what seems to be where most of the big AI tells come from. So it's hard to say. Gross, if it is.

The rest of it really does just seem like Yamaha's trying to market to the normies/professionals again. Oh well, maybe it'll work out for them. The female vocal feels like discount Solaria to me lol... But they don't sound bad. They're fine. Nothing I'm too interested in watching, and even if someone makes music with them, I'm not sure how we'd find it to listen anyway since I heavily doubt anyone would market them as "Omnivocal Male/Female" songs

 

[BiscuitsandTriscuits]

I have no real opinion on the release other than the names are the height of creativity and I stan /jk but mainly I'm confused by how it turned into an ai art with hunt (I support the disdain for ai art but I would prefer to have proof first, because this is an issue impacting a lot of small artists right now where people will see their art that they have proof of them creating and accuse them of using AI with no proof) on what to me just looks like generic stock model photos touched up in photoshop like most model photos are .-.

 

[parallax_fifths]

I'm going to be a party pooper and say that using gen AI even for "harmless" things like this isn't worth the immense energy/water consumption and I don't find it particularly cute or fun, especially since the majority of free (or even most of the paid ones I guess) are created from stolen data scraped off the internet without permission. So. Hm.

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[Twillby]

The female vocal feels like discount Solaria to me

Oh good I'm not the only one Genuinely thought I was hearing things for a moment when I played the clip.

Part of me was almost tempted to try it out out of sheer curiosity but apparently my Cubase is two versions behind whoops. (Didn't think I got it that long ago, must have been just before 14 released or something. Would help explain why I got Pro for such a high discount.)

 

[MillyAqualine]

Thankfully it seems Iw as right when I saw them and regarding the first thing coming to my mind it was the "erm, is this AI ? Yamaha are you okay ? "

At this ponit I could have tried to make a mock realistic-styled (aka portrait) for the avatars, it'd be less clumsy than using AI while you know about the fuss and problematic outcomes that comes with that one kind of AI

 

[lIlI]

Kept the first post for informative reasons, removed other AI images in accordance with site rules!

 

[BANKARA_TEEvie]

, and even if someone makes music with them, I'm not sure how we'd find it to listen anyway since I heavily doubt anyone would market them as "Omnivocal Male/Female" songs

see THIS is what i'm thinking about - not just about the awful SEO of having their vocalists named just for voice-type, but the fact that with most normal producers who would use this software i cannot see crediting the vocals in the same 'synthv cover solaria' in the title- type thing we see in the vsynth community; it'll be used for harmonies, maybe a guide track for hiring actual singers, but what percentage will use it for full songs? and a fraction of that who will see the need to credit the software/vocals for it?

i already see a lot of people who are quite wishy-washy about crediting when using vocals from SV front and center, but i think because more people *do* use it for full vocals that we tend to see it advertised more, even from more producer or even AI bro types.
point being, i just do not see how this program is going to be able to carry its name through anything but word of mouth. it's not that nobody would credit ai vocals outside of the vsynth space, rather i just don't see any circumstance in which they'd be used in ways that anybody would think to credit

 

[Vector]

Hm. Yeah. Everything about this is gross.

Even if the photos aren't generated, they still reek of that generic, sanitized corporateness. Unappealing, unless you're making "pharmaceutical-ad-core" (my most hated genre of music).

And anyone working against the goal of making the world more anime is the enemy.

 

[morrysillusion]

the thing about crediting or not crediting the name of a vocal synth is a whole topic of its own and i feel like the hardcore vocal synth community that likes finding songs with the voices they like dont realize how unimportant that is to the "professional" audience Yamaha is trying to attract here. so , sure, the "common" vocal synth producer in the fandom scene is unlikely to pick it up because of that fact but thats not who theyre trying to attract anyways so it doesnt matter. it seems very normalized for us that people present their originals songs with the vocal's name. because to us its not just an original song, its an original vocal synth song. this is seeking a crowd that is not us at all.

so as much as its true, that the search for these banks will be near impossible (unless simply saying they used Omnivocal for search) due to the naming convention of the voices, its also imo not really relevant to 'us'. no one needs to be naming the vocal synths they use anyways, but theres a pretty big separation between fandom producers and well not-fandom producers who are not trying to attract people by putting the vocal's name front and center.

honestly might i argue even, that its not just anime that turns normal people producers off from a vocal synth even like Vocaloid's faceless ones, but just the fact the vocal has a name at all. cuz again, i think lots of normal producers dont want people to think "a song sung by Sarah from Vocaloid 6" or.. the more dreaded statement that has a history of being heard all the time in vocsynth fandom... "a song by Sarah from Vocaloid 6" vs the correct "a song by Producer ft. Sarah", which is less likely to be recognized by a casual listener not in this circle. i think for those who want vocal synths to just be the singing tool, it is preferred to always be "this is a song by Producer" with no confusion of mentioning a vocal synth name, and the vocal synth can be a background thing that people may or may not question the source of but it doesnt matter in the end, so long as the producer is at the front.

anyways in more regards to this-- it is weird to do. i get the idea of releasing a Totally Neutral "male" and "female" simple plug in, i can get behind a super dumbed down/more VST like approach for a DAW. but its weird how this came out of no where, Yamaha is falling behind in quality and this isnt really a jump or anything. i dont feel like they have enough going for them for this to attract people and make it a beneficial new thing for them.

 

[BANKARA_TEEvie]

yyyeah that's my view of it, it feels very intentional to simplify it down and, putting myself in the shoes of the average cubase producer, i can understand why they may have done that.
thing is, i feel like it's exactly the way this community works with sharing projects that has allowed it to go so far, and every voicebank has literally made a name for itself... hence why it feels like a lose for its target audience AND for yamaha.

i really have to wonder if we'll see a small amount of people make full songs using these vocals and credit it as a random feature, like 'my awesome song ft. maria diamante'. like *those* ai singers...

 

[junky]

Of course there's nothing pointing in that direction other than my gut, and I don't mean to be that guy but... those portraits look like something a generic Generative AI would make...

Very likely since they used AI art in vx_beta itself.

Part of me agrees it was most likely an oversight since stock photo sites are full of AI now, but at the same time I feel if they really cared they’d be double-checking, especially after people let them know it’s highly likely to be AI art.

AI art seems to be becoming the norm in vocal synths, ACE’s stock photo banks still likely use it despite reverting the character vocals’ art. Especially since their new “normie” target audience most likely doesn’t care.

Other thoughts: The vocals are higher quality than V6 which is good. The program’s entire existance seems redundant as vx_beta already exists, the “normie” target audience already has SynthV and ACE (and a bunch of other AI vocal plugins people outside our community couldn’t care less about), both vocal synth fans & non-vocal synth producers are letting them know in the comments. I’m also still extremely confused why a billion dollar company’s software sounds way worse than a startup’s (Dreamtonics.) Even as someone who prefers unrealistic & voice acted vocals and likes the marketing and characters from V6. V6 engine noise kills me, it sounds worse than V5 and prior. Cyber Songman was the last good English vocal from Yamaha. Sad because V6 would be one of my favorite eras of Vocaloid if the VBs actually sounded good.

On the bright side, it seems their target audience is taking well to it.
Also I really liked the demo song, just to see it was made (or at least tuned) by KagomeP. Nice!

 

[MagicalMiku]

Kept the first post for informative reasons, removed other AI images in accordance with site rules!

Totally sorry!!
I'm glad those site rules exist (and I'm honest, I didn't know about them), I also edited the first post.
It was fun, but also I learnt some things.

I have no real opinion on the release other than the names are the height of creativity and I stan /jk but mainly I'm confused by how it turned into an ai art with hunt (I support the disdain for ai art but I would prefer to have proof first, because this is an issue impacting a lot of small artists right now where people will see their art that they have proof of them creating and accuse them of using AI with no proof) on what to me just looks like generic stock model photos touched up in photoshop like most model photos are .-.

As wrote above, I actually learnt something while experimenting with Oi-chan images (sorry you were too good for this world ) :
- most of the images generated are portrait or the hands are hidden (out of the picture or between the hairstyle);
- once you generate like 5-10 images, you can clearly see similar patterns between all the images and many of the images that are around the web nowadays;
- the hairstyle has a very "butter slimy" feeling, or it can look a bit more real but has a repeating pattern (like an actual cloning tool of photoshop)
- the fact that the Yamaha pictures don't show the hands, have a similar pattern of pose and face expression, and the "butter slimy" hairstyle is there, is very suspicious. And is bad for Yamaha public image as a company. Again, if the budget project was low, ok I understand (but I still think it was a very bad idea), but they should write on the website or on the software main page that those images are ai generated. If they are real western models from a talent agency, then credit both the models and the agency in the website and the software. "I wanna see the receipts". In the Windows XP era there was "Microsoft Sam", I believe it's still in Win10/Win11 as voice narrator tool, same with Apple Siri. It's ok to don't make an avatar image for a neutral male/female voice.
- copyright holders like Disney and many japanese companies are totally correct about those images generators: it's just a mixing of many images taken from the internet/media, there is not a real tool drawing them. It's bad copy-pasta, really bad. I'm happy to not be interested about it and I'll thank Oi-chan for not using those tools anymore (but I might draw Oi-chan with pencil and paper someday, real tools);
- I also realized that Crypton did the good thing years ago, starting to develop NT engine, and they removed any "ai" from the Vocaloid6 title. That's good.
That's it (Oi-chan was happy to see the fun post reactions, she replied "you're welcome")

 

[BiscuitsandTriscuits]

Totally sorry!!
I'm glad those site rules exist (and I'm honest, I didn't know about them), I also edited the first post.
It was fun, but also I learnt some things.


As wrote above, I actually learnt something while experimenting with Oi-chan images (sorry you were too good for this world ) :
- most of the images generated are portrait or the hands are hidden (out of the picture or between the hairstyle);
- once you generate like 5-10 images, you can clearly see similar patterns between all the images and many of the images that are around the web nowadays;
- the hairstyle has a very "butter slimy" feeling, or it can look a bit more real but has a repeating pattern (like an actual cloning tool of photoshop)
- the fact that the Yamaha pictures don't show the hands, have a similar pattern of pose and face expression, and the "butter slimy" hairstyle is there, is very suspicious. And is bad for Yamaha public image as a company. Again, if the budget project was low, ok I understand, but they should write on the website or on the software main page that those images are ai generated. If they are real western models from a talent agency, then credit both the models and the agency in the website and the software. "I wanna see the receipts".
- copyright holders like Disney and many japanese companies are totally correct about those images generators: it's just a mixing of many images taken from the internet/media, there is not a real tool drawing them. It's bad copy-pasta, really bad. I'm happy to not be interested about it and I'll thank Oi-chan for not using those tools anymore (but I might draw Oi-chan with pencil and paper someday, real tools);
- I also realized that Crypton did the good thing years ago, starting to develop NT engine, and they removed any "ai" from the Vocaloid6 title. That's good.
That's it (Oi-chan was happy to see the fun post reactions, she replied "you're welcome")

lol all I said was I don’t agree with a witch hunt based on conjecture because of how quickly that spirals and gave an example of how this type of thinking is used to attack artists already or how quickly this thread itself devolved;