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Vocamerica 2018
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What did we learn here
that if it's a pop song, it's gonna win lol
what did I tell you!
the only one that doesnt really fit the "pop" genre is World's Eighth Wonder and it's only fourth place too
i freakin knew it, lol
so at least now we have the blueprint for the next contest, right? Just write a pop-sounding song, either light or dark (tho it seems theyre trying to go light for this one arent they), and you'll have a more solid shot at the win than anything else.
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I know I was seeing some comments how some people were sad or disappointed in that. Wondering why didn't Aki say so in the guidelines if they were looking for light, cheerful songs in the first place...
Do Vocaloid Ballads/slow sad/hopeful songs even have a chance to live? Or is everyone into dark, sad pop songs these days?
Right???I know I was seeing some comments how some people were sad or disappointed in that. Wondering why didn't Aki say so in the guidelines if they were looking for light, cheerful songs in the first place...
Do Vocaloid Ballads/slow sad/hopeful songs even have a chance to live? Or is everyone into dark, sad pop songs these days?
Like if they had wanted that they should've clarified!! They really screwed over a lot of good entries.
The person who made the High Functioning Depression Sequence (The one I wanted) was talking about it on Twitter, like look at this--
So according to Tora who's last I checked been pretty into the Vocaloid community for a while (didn't they help make stella? wasn't aware it was a scam tho last I checked), Vocamerica's into it for the money
which is a lot darker and more depressing than I first thought
Like here I thought it'd be a great opportunity for the newcomers bc they said they were looking for new stuff, a chance to be different and make songs that weren't pop and stuff
And as a result, we learned they only want songs that'll make them money; i.e., the pop songs that'll get stuck in yer heads
Tho if they're doing it for the money then why did they lose all their kickstarter money so fast? And I mean they only make 300+ on patreon for the project, not to mention their merchandise doesn't sell too great; I mean their little pudding dex/daina plushes sold out last year and weren't restocked.
I mean RIP maple and Shius and khanadee and all these other producers who didn't make the cut man
yall got snubbed lol
(this is not to say its folly for the other producers to win, bc they were legitimately good songs! I'm really glad that Anh Duy did place bc the guy's like what, 15? A young thing already on their way man)
but maple does raise a good point, I mean...if you're gonna get 4x the views on your song and you're not even going to get recognized...I just feel bad for the guy. It seems a little weird to not even say "btw gj this guy" bc they congratulated a few others who got mentioned, it was Khanadee and Shius I believe, but not this one. And this one is the top result too.
what a weird contest lol
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I guess I could mention this, but hopefully I don't get hate for this... But I don't really like that for the Vocamerica there is UTAUloids with one (or two?) voiced by Aki herself. So you got Diana which is already voiced provided by her and is a Vocaloid, but you got her UTAUloid version too. 
I mean for the beginning I guess I was meh on that since they were starting and only had few Vocaloids to use, but now that they are getting more English Vocaloids, are they going to still use the UTAUloids? 
EDIT: Also are they going to change the Vocamerica banner so all the characters are the same instead of multiple character arts put together? I don't know if they had, but it somewhat bugged me before.
I mean for the beginning I guess I was meh on that since they were starting and only had few Vocaloids to use, but now that they are getting more English Vocaloids, are they going to still use the UTAUloids? EDIT: Also are they going to change the Vocamerica banner so all the characters are the same instead of multiple character arts put together? I don't know if they had, but it somewhat bugged me before.
BRUHI guess I could mention this, but hopefully I don't get hate for this... But I don't really like that for the Vocamerica there is UTAUloids with one (or two?) voiced by Aki herself. So you got Diana which is already voiced provided by her and is a Vocaloid, but you got her UTAUloid version too.
EDIT: Also are they going to change the Vocamerica banner so all the characters are the same instead of multiple character arts put together? I don't know if they had, but it somewhat bugged me before.
I KNOW
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
There are several people who don't like the UTAU aspect. And then Aki even went and had a poll asking if people want more UTAUloids for the project and we're all sitting here like "Baby no what is you doing"
To me it always seemed a little bit like Vocamerica was just "Empath x KenjiB LIVE feat. Circus", and knowing she voiced not only Namida but AIKO (and I had no idae about Aiko I thought it was just Namida omfg) I'm like wow
Wow
Vocamerica's not worth the trouble
Maybe when they finally a) add Oliver, Big Al and all those other vocals it'll be worth the trouble and b) actually include those songs from the winners of the contest from last year (like what's the hold up man that's not fair to them)
I'm like maybe just gonna take a break from Vocamerica lol
seems like it isn't worth all the time
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Aki is like, "I want more voices of myself in Vocamerica.
"
This is a joke, please no one roost or jump at me with screaming voices of angry please
Don't stress yourself too much on Vocamerica, peach.
I personally really liked all the songs that were picked! I'm a little discontented with Wish as the winner due to what I previously mentioned with the tuner also having done the song that won the Prima song last year and feel it's kind of unfair as it was technically breaking the rules, but I liked all the other songs. I wish maple and other producers had gotten a shout out though, as everyone did such a wonderful job. maple's music is stuff I wish I could produce myself, so I'm hoping they don't give up because of this.
Aiko is voiced by MystSaphyr, not Aki. That said, I was kind of eh about the inclusion of Namida since she's Japanese only if I remember right. I think Aki explained it by saying she was mainly to be a mascot or something like that?
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Im happy with all of the discussion that has happened here reagarding the winners.
I do wish that there was more variety in the list, my favorite song from their choices was probably World's Eighth Wonder, the least pop of of all the picks. Like peach said, it seems like rock songs are always shoved aside for the catchy pop tunes that keep making chant their depressing lyrics.
Other than that, great job to all of the participants, and hopefully next year there will be variety in the winners
I do wish that there was more variety in the list, my favorite song from their choices was probably World's Eighth Wonder, the least pop of of all the picks. Like peach said, it seems like rock songs are always shoved aside for the catchy pop tunes that keep making chant their depressing lyrics.
Other than that, great job to all of the participants, and hopefully next year there will be variety in the winners
Yeah dude sameIm happy with all of the discussion that has happened here reagarding the winners.
I do wish that there was more variety in the list, my favorite song from their choices was probably World's Eighth Wonder, the least pop of of all the picks. Like peach said, it seems like rock songs are always shoved aside for the catchy pop tunes that keep making chant their depressing lyrics.
Other than that, great job to all of the participants, and hopefully next year there will be variety in the winners
It feels like a wasted opportunity bc there were so many other options u kno?
I freakin knew they'd all be pop songs and I was right
all but that one that was the acoustic song which was cute
Somebody owes me a dollar
Try to be polite to the winners, guys. It's pretty hurtful to say they won based on genre alone.
Worth noting that it's important to consider the function of a song when entering a contest. A slow, low-energy ballad, while awesome in its own right, is not appropriate for a concert theme.
Worth noting that it's important to consider the function of a song when entering a contest. A slow, low-energy ballad, while awesome in its own right, is not appropriate for a concert theme.
And that's true, no doubt. I'm happy for the people that won, though I will admit I was shocked (I thought for sure Aku P had at least one of those first place spots)
but you have to admit it's interesting that the songs they picked were all pretty much the same genre
It's clear that the judges have a bias towards pop, even though it's not totally necessary for it to only be pop songs in a concert.
magical mirai, stardust and even the vsinger concerts didn't have exclusively pop music, you know? Ballads are great in concerts- they're featured all the time, even if it's just one or two, but they're definitely in concerts as well and it would be cool to have seen at least one in the vocamerica concert.
It just feels like it's a missed opportunity for more interesting things outside of what we got, as interesting as the songs are that we got. I want to make it clear that it's not the producers that I have a problem with. Whether we like it or not, the judges picked what they liked because it's their concert, and that's fine. I don't want to undermine that, but it's also important that people be allowed to express criticism of it.
I mean for me I can only handle so much of the same sound in a concert before I either get bored or stop listening entirely (I remember the 39 giving day concert back in what, 2009? I was watching witha friend when Miku had literally performed seven or eight songs in a row and we had to skip through her stuff because we got so tired of listening to her voice over and over lol).
The issue isn't with the winners, I think, but the similarities between the results. At least that's what I'm getting from it.
I like them. Especially Wish. While I would like to see a bit more variety in the Vocamerica concerts, I still appreciate the songs that were chosen.
We appreciate the effort! xD
I definitely don't mean to rag on the winners. You're right, they just got picked. It's not like they knew, as did nobody else as it should've been clarified in the rules, that and it's how the judges prefer their music. However AngelEmfrbl from Vocaloid Wikia made a good point about it;
And I think it's a good point not just for the Vocaloid community globally, but it's true for the Western community, too. They write all sorts of stuff that could be represented that just haven't been in Vocamerica. I'm hoping the addition of Oliver will have them add new things that aren't pop, because he's got several cool songs that are more rock or ballad based (corasundae is a great example).
Vocamerica has an opportunity to really represent how unique and varied the west is, as that's what it claims to be doing more or less. Wasn't that what its slogan was? The American vocaloid concert or something? Why not represent a little bit of everything people do here, and not just the one thing?
I send my congratulations to the winners!!
Good job everyone!
Let's make it a great year~(´▽｀)
Good job everyone!
Let's make it a great year~(´▽｀)
Confratulations to the winners! I was loving seeing everyone's songs!
As for my take on this conversation topic, I do wish there could have been more variation or specifying what they wanted to see. Vocaloid has so mant genres, it's misleading to only show pop. Take Miku's events, while all super popular songs, has many different genres and themes throughout the concert. Pop maybwork best for a concert, but Vocaloid should be portrayed as more than that because it is more than that.
As for my take on this conversation topic, I do wish there could have been more variation or specifying what they wanted to see. Vocaloid has so mant genres, it's misleading to only show pop. Take Miku's events, while all super popular songs, has many different genres and themes throughout the concert. Pop maybwork best for a concert, but Vocaloid should be portrayed as more than that because it is more than that.
To throw in some of my personal thoughts about Vocamerica, I always felt it was a but misleading. I was always under tthe impression it was going to be eqjal and not how Miku events are, but Dex and Daina have a clear manority and are the mascots. I understand Aki uses them given one of them she voiced, but the way it was pitched was to be equal for all Engloids? Not to mention no updates on the last contest winners but I believe Daina in particular has been getting new songs (though I don't keep up too well with everything). It just feels like a Dex and Daina Expo to me sometimes quite truthfully, and I really wjsh it'd even out, especially because if it stays this way, I fear the other Engloids will only get one song per concert with how many there are
Now that's an interesting point-- I think it's a good point that the concert was speculated to be more like an all inclusive for all engloids and getting equal time, that would have been absolutely lovely to see!
However, I do see why it's essentiall Dex and Daina Live, too-- a majority of the bigger popular songs are with those two. That on top of it being an Aki Kenji passion project, and those two are responsible for a lot of songs with them as is Circus, I think it was just destined to be a more Dex/Daina focused, unfortunately.
I'm hoping it'll be forced into being more varied when they finally (finally) include Prima / Tonio / Sonika / Big Al / Oliver and I recall mentions of Cyber Diva / Songman being in the works for possible appearances, + Alys is going to be added, too. They can't afford to have just Dex Daina stuff in it if they're going to be blowing up the roster.
I'm really hoping that them adding all these guys will lead to the removal of utauloids, too. Namida and Aiko, as cute a reference it is to have them, just don't fit like the others (neither does the purple one though I know they have an agreement with the group who made her).
They're finally adding all these other Engloids to give them a shot, so I'm really really hoping they'll pick things up and bring about that Engloid focus that they promised the first time.
There's still potential for variation, and I"m sure if we keep asking for it, they'll find a way to provide. Maybe if there's a way to request these things from the staff or Aki or something. Though I wonder how open she'd be to criticisms or suggestions, since I've never really seen much of her asking for ideas and things from the community beyond that one poll, where she was asking if we wanted more Utaus in the concert (oh no)
I personally like the ideas of utau/other synths being included, but I feel like it should be limited one or two original utau songs the entire concert, with only western made utaus that can sing in english. If they're multilingual, it's fine to include their other languages, but using a japanese song for an english concert seems a little bizarre to me.