It depends. Sometimes that can fix it, if you do something like [O@ r], maybe even [O: r]. Sometimes it simply doesn't work no matter what, and it can even refuse to make sound at all even though the phonemes are correct.
VOCALOID Crypton new Miku NT ver.2, Miku V6 and Piapro Characters Super Pack
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Technically, Synthv also has the technology but it was short lived. the only vb I know that applied this concept were the kotonoha sisters.
On another note, one thing that's not really clear is if NT V2 will be a free update or not
Tbf, new features are coming to vocaloid, but they seem to come more to vocaloid beta. which will be given to vocaloid 6 owners for free and all v6 vbs will be ported to it. So we can expect new interesting features still
the Sonicwire original blog post of August 1st wrote this:
but yes, during the Magical Mirai talking session, they only said that the beta version planned for October will be available for free to existing product owners of NT,and then announced a planned public release for first half of 2025. I guess the update to NT 2.0 engine will be free, but the new packaged version (I assume there will be a new package with new art by iXima) planned for first half of 2025 might have some extra voice database/features/bundled software
In the talking session they did confirm that Miku NT2 would be a free upgrade for all owners, if I remember correctly. I don't think it will get a newly packaged version, it's still Hatsune Miku NT. With NT, they're able to push out updates as much as they want unlike the Vocaloid days where they couldn't (until V5/6) without releasing an entirely new product. I feel like they'll just add to NT over time.
yes sorry, I might have remembered wrong about the talking session, it was 1 hour long with many details, so..yes..(｡･∀･)ﾉﾞ
for new package and art, I think it's something the marketing department of Crypton will decide, depending also on their plans with other piapro characters: for example, if you sell Miku NT ver.2, then Luka NT will be "NT" or "NT ver.2"?
it's also possible they'll keep the actual package box (which already changed a little with the new repackaged styles announced this July) and put a sticker on it about the Ver.2
for new package and art, I think it's something the marketing department of Crypton will decide, depending also on their plans with other piapro characters: for example, if you sell Miku NT ver.2, then Luka NT will be "NT" or "NT ver.2"?
it's also possible they'll keep the actual package box (which already changed a little with the new repackaged styles announced this July) and put a sticker on it about the Ver.2
as someone who didn't get to use VXB, i have to wonder if the arpabet system it uses might help somewhat? i could see that being a bit more customizable to get the right sound where needed due to how the phonemes are set up in comparison to vocalo-eng-sampa-whatever.
hell, could the xls system even be slightly different, given how the engine and voicebanks overall are clearly different too?
i don't find v6's xls to be terrible - in fact, given that not even cevio/voisona has it yet makes it a pretty big deal, given how yamaha has seemed so slow in the AI game thus far. it's more accented, and i understand the point of AI XLS is probably to reduce that... but i would say i find ai megpoid's english to be a bit more understandable and clear than her native english bank (at least, just as good) whilst still keeping her japanese tone in a way that doesn't make the VB "harder" to work with, for example.
here's praying that they do the same with V6 miku then, because if they really had an issue w/ yamaha holding them back in terms of being able to release regular updates and that's no longer an issue... well don't play crypton that's all im saying!
Phoneme labels are phoneme labels. It doesn't matter if you call it "@r r" in X-SAMPA or "er r" in Arpabet.
While this is true, Vocaloid's Xsampa has a lot more fragmentation which can lead to requiring more data to get the intended/desired effect. Like, having [O@] [Q@] [I@] [e@] [U@] means that there's an additional 5 vowels that need data, rather than [O: r], [I r], [e r], and [U r]. The less unnecessary fragmentation, the better overall and with how we only have a couple of English dedicated vocals it makes sense how the engine could be struggling for certain sounds.
yeah, this is basically what i was getting at! the way sounds are labelled makes more of a difference with an AI synthesis system than it does w/ a concatenative one. not just accounting for spreading data thin, but also how many times certain sounds appear, learning the context of where it appears, etc...
that being said, that also doesn't account for how the XLS system actually works for V6/VXB, but i still believe that the more restricted phoneme set may ironically allow for better use-case
and thank you info for putting all that into better words ;w;
sorry if someone said this and i missed it, but is their a physical release or is it just digital?
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so..for Piapro Characters Super Pack there is physical release, you can find it on various japanese retail shop (maybe also Sonicwire, didn't check yet if is available for overseas), for example Amazon JP has it, and since it is "sold and shipped by amazon", you should be able to order it without problems, amazon jp supports english and overseas cards. most items sold by amazon jp are eligible for overseas shipping, and usually you automatically pay customs taxes at the checkout (and if there is a difference once is cleared at customs, they give you back the difference as a refund). here is the url:
(i've put it in the code tag because if i write the amazon jp url as normal text, the forum gives back an empty space as preview)
other options are using a proxy shopping (for example from-japan) to buy the Super Pack "ピアプロキャラクターズ スーパーパック" from shops like Rakuten, Yodobashi, Bic Camera, suruga-ya and mercari 
and about Miku V6, probably at 99% there will be physical version, there aren't still much info about, but we know they'll talk more later this year. same for Miku NT 2, we actually don't know if for the public release (first half of 2025) they'll keep the actual box, or they'll put a sticker on it to tell about the ver.2, or they'll make new boxes and artwork for NT2, we don't know yet
so..for Piapro Characters Super Pack there is physical release, you can find it on various japanese retail shop (maybe also Sonicwire, didn't check yet if is available for overseas), for example Amazon JP has it, and since it is "sold and shipped by amazon", you should be able to order it without problems, amazon jp supports english and overseas cards. most items sold by amazon jp are eligible for overseas shipping, and usually you automatically pay customs taxes at the checkout (and if there is a difference once is cleared at customs, they give you back the difference as a refund). here is the url:
(i've put it in the code tag because if i write the amazon jp url as normal text, the forum gives back an empty space as preview)
Code:
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0DBL116DFand about Miku V6, probably at 99% there will be physical version, there aren't still much info about, but we know they'll talk more later this year. same for Miku NT 2, we actually don't know if for the public release (first half of 2025) they'll keep the actual box, or they'll put a sticker on it to tell about the ver.2, or they'll make new boxes and artwork for NT2, we don't know yet
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so..for Piapro Characters Super Pack there is physical release, you can find it on various japanese retail shop (maybe also Sonicwire, didn't check yet if is available for overseas), for example Amazon JP has it, and since it is "sold and shipped by amazon", you should be able to order it without problems, amazon jp supports english and overseas cards. most items sold by amazon jp are eligible for overseas shipping, and usually you automatically pay customs taxes at the checkout (and if there is a difference once is cleared at customs, they give you back the difference as a refund). here is the url:
(i've put it in the code tag because if i write the amazon jp url as normal text, the forum gives back an empty space as preview)
other options are using a proxy shopping (for example from-japan) to buy the Super Pack "ピアプロキャラクターズ スーパーパック" from shops like Rakuten, Yodobashi, Bic Camera, suruga-ya and mercariCode:https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B0DBL116DF
and about Miku V6, probably at 99% there will be physical version, there aren't still much info about, but we know they'll talk more later this year. same for Miku NT 2, we actually don't know if for the public release (first half of 2025) they'll keep the actual box, or they'll put a sticker on it to tell about the ver.2, or they'll make new boxes and artwork for NT2, we don't know yet