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sunnyp4rk

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I would love to know what went through VocaTone's mind when they thought that making new versions of their voicebanks for an engine that would have no release date for years would be a good idea. Maybe they thought it would be done by now, but they should really just move a lot of it to Synth V or V6 or any other functional engine. I'd love to see Oliver be revived, but not in a state like this.
 
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DefiantKitsune

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I've gotten the impression they may not have had another choice - Vocatone was always kinda messy and I suspect they burned bridges that way with a lot of third parties in the vocal synth scene (particularly Yamaha)
 

Blue Of Mind

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Apr 8, 2018
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I've gotten the impression they may not have had another choice - Vocatone was always kinda messy and I suspect they burned bridges that way with a lot of third parties in the vocal synth scene (particularly Yamaha)
As an old fart, I can chime in for any younger fans on here that VocaTone has long had a reputation for being dickish, up to and including what @DefiantKitsune has said - and I can back this up, because I remember VT posting on VocaloidOtaku when I was a member there, and they eventually managed to alienate a good chunk, if not the entirety of the VO community with their messiness.

If you've ever wondered why their banks haven't simply been ported to V6 or even SynthV, there's probably a very good reason why. 👀
 
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So all hell has broken loose as the new head of Vocatone, Crossy, already has accusations of being a shotacon

Meanwhile, Cocoa has decided to share what some actual magni renders sound like here

Not sure if this really counters or explains anything further, but it's interesting to have an idea of what they were working with.

Cocoa also seems determined that they're still all making a commercial product

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Edit: oops missed a page, sorry for reposting the demos
 
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SeleDreams

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So all hell has broken loose as the new head of Vocatone, Crossy, already has accusations of being a shotacon

Meanwhile, Cocoa has decided to share what some actual magni renders sound like here

Not sure if this really counters or explains anything further, but it's interesting to have an idea of what they were working with.
I find it funny to see this as a big deal when that's like... a big chunk of the most popular japanese vocaloid producers.
 
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As it's understandably one of the most contentious parts of this controversy, I've compiled all the statements regarding the use of RVC, Melodyne, and Synthesizer V in the creation of a Maghni AI demo for posterity.

The original screenshot of the Maghni devs discussing enhancing the demo behind the scenes, the authenticity of which has not been disputed by any party:

In this screenshot, Suzie (demo artist) suggests that they splice in phonemes to improve the demo. Cocoa (Crescendia developer) agrees, while acknowledging that it is unethical. Editing individual phonemes in Melodyne is also discussed.



In her Twitter thread about the screenshot, Suzie says that consonants and a spoken voice line were generated with RVC (RVC is an open source AI voice changer, not associated with Maghni).



Austin Grissom's statement corroborates the use of samples from other engines, and adds that a Synthesizer V SVP file was used for the timing. He makes it clear that audio output from Synthesizer V was not one of the places they spliced from.




Natalia confirms that the demos were heavily processed, and corroborates that RVC was used. She confirms that RVC and 'related processing' were used for selection of consonants, and the spoken word portion.



And finally, Cocoa confirms again that consonants were spliced and RVC was used to create the spoken word section, and that Synthesizer V used as an editor. However, he disputes Synthesizer V being used for phonetic timing.




Suzie contradicts Cocoa and Austin to say that audio output from Synthesizer V was used to produce audio samples which were then fed into RVC:


All these stories, with the exception of exactly how SynthV was used, reinforce each other, and are consistent with Suzie's first statement. It's extremely clear what happened: I assume any confusion on social media comes from people skim-reading statements, or jumping to conclusions based on vaguetweets and secondhand summaries. What's worrying is that Suzie's demo doesn't seem to have been the only misleading demonstration.

I stand by my initial opinion that this usage was unethical, a sentiment I know the Maghni AI devs publicly and privately concur with (ahah). Now the spotlight is on them, I hope they'll be extra rigorous about showing accurate demos. I appreciate that they're now issuing apologies, but this is one incident that's best disproved with actions.
 
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