Unpopular Opinions

[nightmare]

Wait but didn't the SynthV community WANT niche voicebanks? Even then, from his vocal mode demo he seems almost as versatile as Solaria.

I didn't mean to frame that opinion as negative - the person who called him niche meant it in a good way! I just don't agree with him being called wholly niche in the first place. With his Clear and Warm vocal modes, he can sing pop songs easily. In the same vein, Feng Yi isn't niche just because she has a Pekin Opera mode. They are both voicebanks with niches, but can do much more than that.

The popular reaction to Asterian has been very positive! I was pleasantly surprised to see how many people from Japan have bought and been enjoying him. I'm glad people are eager to learn how to use him.

 

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Cloud based synths ( ACE, Voisona ) are better off as subscription based, people say you should be able to buy those vbs permanently, but they will never be permanent because they're cloud based.

 

[Wario94]

It got me thinking: is it possible if I decided to subscribe VoiSona when I literally live outside in Japan (as in United States)?

 

[Infoholic]

Cloud based synths ( ACE, Voisona ) are better off as subscription based, people say you should be able to buy those vbs permanently, but they will never be permanent because they're cloud based.

VoiSona isn't cloud based, only subscription based.

It got me thinking: is it possible if I decided to subscribe VoiSona when I literally live outside in Japan (as in United States)?

Yes, you can subscribe from anywhere.

 

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VoiSona isn't cloud based, only subscription based.

Well from what I know, Voisona ( except for Sasara ) uses different vocoder, vocoder that couldn't reach the same quality as Cevio AI, without taking hours to render which wasn't sustainable, what do they do then to reach said quality? /gen

 

[Infoholic]

Well from what I know, Voisona ( except for Sasara ) uses different vocoder, vocoder that couldn't reach the same quality as Cevio AI, without taking hours to render which wasn't sustainable, what do they do then to reach said quality? /gen

The technology that took hours to render was what they featured in a 2018-19 post before CeVIO AI's debut, the introduction of DNN rather than HMM. CeVIO AI and VoiSona both use the presented DNN, but it's a much weaker system to compensate render speeds. VoiSona's vocoder(s) are [excluding Sasara] different and improved, but they are still run through hardware, not the cloud. All voicebanks are still found in your device's storage and executed locally, which is actually how someone managed to force Sasara into the program a long time ago.

 

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The technology that took hours to render was what they featured in a 2018-19 post before CeVIO AI's debut, the introduction of DNN rather than HMM. CeVIO AI and VoiSona both use the presented DNN, but it's a much weaker system to compensate render speeds. VoiSona's vocoder(s) are [excluding Sasara] different and improved, but they are still run through hardware, not the cloud. All voicebanks are still found in your device's storage and executed locally, which is actually how someone managed to force Sasara into the program a long time ago.

Awesome! Thanks:)

 

[peaches2217]

It looks like there's been a trend on VocaTwitter lately of people sharing fake releases, such as "Xin Hua for Voicepeak!" and "Fukase AI!" and suchlike. I think the general purpose of the trend is for humor? Honestly I'm not sure exactly what the intent is, because I just... don't see any humor in it. People have made arguments that "It's just a joke!" and "Fakeloids have been around for ages!" and "It's on you for falling for it!" The thing is, fakeloids have almost always had some implausible and/or silly element to it making it clear they're nothing more than jokes; Acme Iku V4, Emvoice Lucy on V6, character items like Haiyi's hat getting VB announcements, the president of Cypton becoming a Cryptonloid himself, made-up characters, and my personal favorite, Kaede-San. A lot of these releases are also announced on April 1st, further reminding people it's all a joke.

The fake announcements trending on VocaTwitter are all plausible releases, many with convincing-sounding samples provided by Diff-SVC. People who are deep into vocalsynths might be able to pick apart such announcements because of knowledge of license and VP issues and such, but the average or casual fan? Of course they'll fall for it. I just don't think that's funny. At that point, it's less a joke and more just plain misinformation.

And even if I am taking this too seriously, I think the whole "Announcing fake releases that actually sound plausible" lack what makes fakeloid announcements so funny in the first place: just how absurd they are, and such absurd concepts having what seems to be genuine and thought-out release announcements. Seeing an announcement and needing to research whether it's actually a thing or not because everyone's been making similar bullshit claims with no humor or irony defeats the whole point. There's no fun in that. It's just annoying.

 

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It looks like there's been a trend on VocaTwitter lately of people sharing fake releases, such as "Xin Hua for Voicepeak!" and "Fukase AI!" and suchlike. I think the general purpose of the trend is for humor? Honestly I'm not sure exactly what the intent is, because I just... don't see any humor in it. People have made arguments that "It's just a joke!" and "Fakeloids have been around for ages!" and "It's on you for falling for it!" The thing is, fakeloids have almost always had some implausible and/or silly element to it making it clear they're nothing more than jokes; Acme Iku V4, Emvoice Lucy on V6, character items like Haiyi's hat getting VB announcements, the president of Cypton becoming a Cryptonloid himself, made-up characters, and my personal favorite, Kaede-San. A lot of these releases are also announced on April 1st, further reminding people it's all a joke.

The fake announcements trending on VocaTwitter are all plausible releases, many with convincing-sounding samples provided by Diff-SVC. People who are deep into vocalsynths might be able to pick apart such announcements because of knowledge of license and VP issues and such, but the average or casual fan? Of course they'll fall for it. I just don't think that's funny. At that point, it's less a joke and more just plain misinformation.

And even if I am taking this too seriously, I think the whole "Announcing fake releases that actually sound plausible" lack what makes fakeloid announcements so funny in the first place: just how absurd they are, and such absurd concepts having what seems to be genuine and thought-out release announcements. Seeing an announcement and needing to research whether it's actually a thing or not because everyone's been making similar bullshit claims with no humor or irony defeats the whole point. There's no fun in that. It's just annoying.

and act like it's the pinnacle of humor

 

[aru ii]

It looks like there's been a trend on VocaTwitter lately of people sharing fake releases, such as "Xin Hua for Voicepeak!" and "Fukase AI!" and suchlike. I think the general purpose of the trend is for humor? Honestly I'm not sure exactly what the intent is, because I just... don't see any humor in it. People have made arguments that "It's just a joke!" and "Fakeloids have been around for ages!" and "It's on you for falling for it!" The thing is, fakeloids have almost always had some implausible and/or silly element to it making it clear they're nothing more than jokes; Acme Iku V4, Emvoice Lucy on V6, character items like Haiyi's hat getting VB announcements, the president of Cypton becoming a Cryptonloid himself, made-up characters, and my personal favorite, Kaede-San. A lot of these releases are also announced on April 1st, further reminding people it's all a joke.

The fake announcements trending on VocaTwitter are all plausible releases, many with convincing-sounding samples provided by Diff-SVC. People who are deep into vocalsynths might be able to pick apart such announcements because of knowledge of license and VP issues and such, but the average or casual fan? Of course they'll fall for it. I just don't think that's funny. At that point, it's less a joke and more just plain misinformation.

And even if I am taking this too seriously, I think the whole "Announcing fake releases that actually sound plausible" lack what makes fakeloid announcements so funny in the first place: just how absurd they are, and such absurd concepts having what seems to be genuine and thought-out release announcements. Seeing an announcement and needing to research whether it's actually a thing or not because everyone's been making similar bullshit claims with no humor or irony defeats the whole point. There's no fun in that. It's just annoying.

idk, i do kind of see the fakeloid posts on twitter as funny. The fun to me comes from seeing how fast me and others will figure out that it's fake lol

 

[peaches2217]

idk, i do kind of see the fakeloid posts on twitter as funny. The fun to me comes from seeing how fast me and others will figure out that it's fake lol

I just can’t agree. With no other element to the joke than “Aha, gotcha ,” it just seems pointless at best and mean-spirited at worst.

 

[aru ii]

I just can’t agree. With no other element to the joke than “Aha, gotcha ,” it just seems pointless at best and mean-spirited at worst.

idk if it's just me, but the whole point of joking is "Aha, gotcha". How else would u even joke?

 

[Tortoiseshel]

If you're not threatening to bring Ange Wayne back, I don't wanna hear it

 

[morrysillusion]

It looks like there's been a trend on VocaTwitter lately of people sharing fake releases, such as "Xin Hua for Voicepeak!" and "Fukase AI!" and suchlike. I think the general purpose of the trend is for humor? Honestly I'm not sure exactly what the intent is, because I just... don't see any humor in it. People have made arguments that "It's just a joke!" and "Fakeloids have been around for ages!" and "It's on you for falling for it!" The thing is, fakeloids have almost always had some implausible and/or silly element to it making it clear they're nothing more than jokes; Acme Iku V4, Emvoice Lucy on V6, character items like Haiyi's hat getting VB announcements, the president of Cypton becoming a Cryptonloid himself, made-up characters, and my personal favorite, Kaede-San. A lot of these releases are also announced on April 1st, further reminding people it's all a joke.

The fake announcements trending on VocaTwitter are all plausible releases, many with convincing-sounding samples provided by Diff-SVC. People who are deep into vocalsynths might be able to pick apart such announcements because of knowledge of license and VP issues and such, but the average or casual fan? Of course they'll fall for it. I just don't think that's funny. At that point, it's less a joke and more just plain misinformation.

And even if I am taking this too seriously, I think the whole "Announcing fake releases that actually sound plausible" lack what makes fakeloid announcements so funny in the first place: just how absurd they are, and such absurd concepts having what seems to be genuine and thought-out release announcements. Seeing an announcement and needing to research whether it's actually a thing or not because everyone's been making similar bullshit claims with no humor or irony defeats the whole point. There's no fun in that. It's just annoying.

ive always been a tad bothered by those kinds of posts- the ones that while fake, arent... jokey enough to pass as fake right off the bat. saying something like "Acme Iku V4" comes off as not plausible already. but something like "Hatsune Miku AI" does sound plausible though. i remember even further ago before Diff-SVC, there were loads of fake AI posting for cryptonloids and such on Soundcloud for a while. additionally i think said account was faking an identity to keep up the joke too (which imo was a tad offensive bc they used poor english while acting as a japanese dev/producer i recall? its been a minute) which was a bit worse imo. but it just leaves a weird taste in my mouth to share such things with no regards to implying its a joke, bc it seems p clear to me their intents can often be to trick people into thinking it is real (as it is often the appeal to click on these posts!)

its not incredibly harmful by any means. but even a bit of misinfo can be jarring, mostly when you cant tell whats true or not.... id at least like seeing a disclaimer in the description or reply tweet than sitting there anxious and confused lol. i guess i also partially come from the perspective of someone who mentally struggles with that- and its not that extreme but. i think its important to remember, especially when ppl try to ask for clarification and others just keep up the ruse of it being real as a joke.

 

[Blue Of Mind]

I think what annoys me about these fake/joke VBs is that the vocal synth fandom has long been marred by misinformation and fake info, especially in the Western fandom. Way back in the early days when Vocaloid was the only successful commercial synth and people only cared about the Cryptonloids, all sorts of rumours and fan theories used to spread about the Vocaloid software, interpretations of certain songs, how certain Vocaloids were supposed to "act", etc. If you happened to be more knowledgeable about certain things at the time, it was a pain in the ass trying to correct people, especially if some of the misinformed fans got aggressive and clung to their opinions and headcanons like the gospel. I remember VocaloidOtaku saying those types of fans were "stuck in 2009" once the 2010s rolled in, because they just wouldn't move on beyond the basic facts and misinfo about Vocaloid. Looking back, I can see why the Vipperloids on UTAU managed to genuinely trick people.

In many ways, this kind of misinfo is far less of a problem now, especially now we have multiple commercial synths competing with each other (which means you have to post up articles and wiki pages explaining the differences and why this program isn't Vocaloid at all). Obviously, based on the current discussion here, this kind of crap still happens, but I've noticed people are now actively tinkering with software in order to create fake VBs, rather than just creating a joke character and calling it a day. As mentioned, the Vipperloids and tons of other joke banks like Tree thrived on UTAU, but at the time, that was audibly lower quality than Vocaloid. Nowadays, we have AI synths like Diff-SVC potentially messing with people in a not-so-funny way.

 

[Luxie]

It looks like there's been a trend on VocaTwitter lately of people sharing fake releases, such as "Xin Hua for Voicepeak!" and "Fukase AI!" and suchlike. I think the general purpose of the trend is for humor? Honestly I'm not sure exactly what the intent is, because I just... don't see any humor in it. People have made arguments that "It's just a joke!" and "Fakeloids have been around for ages!" and "It's on you for falling for it!" The thing is, fakeloids have almost always had some implausible and/or silly element to it making it clear they're nothing more than jokes; Acme Iku V4, Emvoice Lucy on V6, character items like Haiyi's hat getting VB announcements, the president of Cypton becoming a Cryptonloid himself, made-up characters, and my personal favorite, Kaede-San. A lot of these releases are also announced on April 1st, further reminding people it's all a joke.

The fake announcements trending on VocaTwitter are all plausible releases, many with convincing-sounding samples provided by Diff-SVC. People who are deep into vocalsynths might be able to pick apart such announcements because of knowledge of license and VP issues and such, but the average or casual fan? Of course they'll fall for it. I just don't think that's funny. At that point, it's less a joke and more just plain misinformation.

And even if I am taking this too seriously, I think the whole "Announcing fake releases that actually sound plausible" lack what makes fakeloid announcements so funny in the first place: just how absurd they are, and such absurd concepts having what seems to be genuine and thought-out release announcements. Seeing an announcement and needing to research whether it's actually a thing or not because everyone's been making similar bullshit claims with no humor or irony defeats the whole point. There's no fun in that. It's just annoying.

It seems flat out mean to me. Imagine a new fan who loves Fukase hear’s of a new voicebank, and starts saving just to realize that they were tricked? Not funny in the slightest.

 

[Infoholic]

Still not impressed or amused with the latest stream of SV releases and the "rock vocals" that DT is making don't really feel rock at all. It could be bad demonstrations...but how can they not come up with good demo songs?

 

[mary34]

Not to completely change the subject, but this is a topic I've been thinking about a while now, so here it goes.

Not only I do not think using automated pitch tuning of some kind (such as the autopitch writer plugin for UTAU or instand mode on Synth V) is cheating or lazy, i think certain synths (mainly ai ones) benefit from that. My tuning process for ai banks have pretty much been 1. do the broad strokes edits via notebending 2.edit phonemes 3.autopitch 4.edit pitch where it sounds weird 5. then mess with parameters. This is because when I do my usual do it all manually style tuning for pitch like in UTAU the results sound very weird, like they are okay but something just does not sound right. But even for non-ai synths, it just makes the process a lot faster cause the thing is, pitch editing is hard and tedious and I don't begrudge anyone in the slightest for wanting to make it easier, and this is coming from someone who finds pitch editing in UTAU actually fun.

I will admit I'm not sure how much of an unpopular opinion it is these days but I remember a time where it was much more controversial thought mainly on twitter, and twitter is like controversy central so there is that.

 

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This is because when I do my usual do it all manually style tuning for pitch like in UTAU the results sound very weird, like they are okay but something just does not sound right.

I'd say that's just because manual tuning is skill like any other, takes time to build, things will sound off and weird and that's ok!

I've been thinking about this topic too but I'm not necessarily in one camp or the other, I personally think it's a tool to be used, and like any other tool it can be utilized well and help in the creative process as much as it can be utilized in really uninspired and lazy way. But those are just my two cents!

 

[morrysillusion]

i feel like as AI and automated/pitch generation has been around longer and the way its worked with different voices has become more apparent (AI voices in synth v having different styles of pitch bends for their voices) i have at least in my experience, seen less complaints. ive basically failed to ever use utau for projects because i hated dealing with pitch bends. the tool i think canon made? while i still dont use utau much, that tool is a godsend to at least throwing some stuff down so i can then edit it all easily. synth v's auto tuning is a similar situation too though its pitch drawing tools are more user friendly already. even vocaloid 5's tools, which i recall people hating on a lot because it was kind of the first in the line of tuning help, was incredibly useful to me.

it was no surprise when it was new that so many people were vocally hating on it, and i know people certainly still do. people just need to remember it is a tool to be utilized (and that they dont have to use lol), but regardless of its good or bad uses ill always be For the implementation of optional tools that allow ease of use for all kinds of people tbh. its hard for some people to remember i think, that some of us having been around for ages have gotten used to doing things the Hard Way, and i understand the annoyance when new tools for new users come out that suddenly take out a lot of that extra work but... vocal synths have a big learning curve for typical musicians, so these kinds of tools are kind of expected after some time lol. nothing wrong w an easy option if you need it, its just up to the user to figure out if it works for them or if their other skills will support the outcome in the end...