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Leon

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Ah sorry, it was V4. I had played through the VSQ a few times -- with Tonio I do a general playthrough to see if it'll crash (it didn't), and then again to hear pronunciation since that tends to be the first thing I mess with before doing more general tuning.

The notes before were all in a safe range, but the note immediately after does jump to E3. I wonder if that could have something to do with it?
 
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The phonemes of the notes before it could have affected the note with the [@] in it. I.e. if the note before it was "cat", then that with the combination of the [@] note may have caused a t -> @ sound to be produced, or perhaps NOT produced if no sound file was found for it at that range.
...well, this is a hypothesis, at least. I don't actually know how VOCALOID works.
 

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I think you're on the right track. Like I said, all the notes before hand were in the "safe range", so I can only think that maybe the note after it affected. It was one word split over the two "safe" and "unsafe" notes as well, if the editor cares about that. I don't really know enough to say :P
 

Leon

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Nope, still crashed when I changed the [Q] to [@] and added [Sil] at the end :/

Perhaps if I broke the note up so that the following note was still "safe". I'll get back with you on that.

EDIT: Now this is interesting! Even with this setup, it still crashed

Tonio wyd.PNG

EDIT2: I even tried a third thing where I made the three notes in question go like [m @] [Q n] [s t @r]. Obvs that'd sound super weird (maybe not so bad if the note was super short, but still), but I was just curious what it would do, and it still failed. I can't understand it :0
 
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Wow, that is really interesting. Does adjusting the [s t @r] note do anything? Like its pitch?
I thought for sure that would, but funnily enough with this setup:

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It still refused to play! Note that the second, slightly lower pitched "monster" has the schwa, and when that was the only one in the phrase with it, it played fine. As I said before, the word "on" later on in the song is on the same note as the first "mon" there, and plays fine. This issue seems to occur in any part of either chorus, and I've p much given up on using the [@] for that particular phrase :P

According to the wiki it can happen on any note, it's just much more frequent above D3. I think.
Really! How strange! I could've sworn ZG's site specified that it should be fine below D3, but I could be remembering wrong (or, to be fair, they might be wrong themselves haha). If this is the case, then my understanding of exactly how Vocaloid sampling and octaves/recordings must be fundamentally wrong :0
 
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I thought for sure that would, but funnily enough with this setup:

It still refused to play! Note that the second, slightly lower pitched "monster" has the schwa, and when that was the only one in the phrase with it, it played fine. As I said before, the word "on" later on in the song is on the same note as the first "mon" there, and plays fine.
Huh, interesting. Maybe the [m -> @] transition is rather particular about its pitch position. Or is it something different, such as having the [@] sound twice within a phrase causes the issue? Quite a particular glitch.

This issue seems to occur in any part of either chorus, and I've p much given up on using the [@] for that particular phrase :P
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Leon

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Huh, interesting. Maybe the [m -> @] transition is rather particular about its pitch position. Or is it something different, such as having the [@] sound twice within a phrase causes the issue? Quite a particular glitch.

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It seems touchy indeed! I tried with just the first [m -> @] and not the second one, btw, so it isn't that it was twice in the phrase. I genuinely have no clue! I had considered dropping all the notes in the area down a bit to see, and if it played then I'd mess with PIT, but that's tricky business to do over and over again in a somewhat repetitive chorus...

Alternative workaround. Tonio's British accent means that his [{] sounds somewhat similar to [@] or [Q], so using that actually sounds kind of okay? A little flat maybe, but not bad. I had sent a raw render of just pronunciation edits to a friend who doesn't mess with Vocaloid at all, and she said she understood like 90% of what he said but specified that if I could edit how he says "monster" then I should so... we'll go with this for now ^^;;
 

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Maybe you could try [e r]? not ideal but may work for it
Oh, for the second syllable, the [s t @r] part? Actually, since [@r] is a different phoneme than [@] is, that one has no issue at all. Thank you so much though :)

I actually remembered OPE just now, and using the build [m { n s t @r] but cutting the OPE of the [m { n] by a little over half, it sounds just fine. All this work for nothing, cause I just swapped the phoneme in the end... :clara_ani_lili::ROFL:
 

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this is from Yoshizawa, the dude who left AVA a few months back. He mentions that a seahorse rival named ViNO was planned, I believe he was a male counterpart to Lumi. But how he phrases it sounds like it's a dead project which is sad, bc AVA has been really quiet since he left. But I still think it's really interesting that they planned more fish loids!
 
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I tried my hand at translating it. I'm not a pro at Japanese or anything as I have to use a plug-in/dictionary for words I don't know a lot and sometimes look things up, but this is what I have. If anyone learning or speaking Japanese would like to correct me, feel free to.

I am also speaking it with confidence, but to everyone who congratulates me, thank you.
The truth is it has really helped. There is one last thing of unreleased news; there was a rival for Lumi. A boy called ViNO that is the close aide of the youngest princess of the seahorse civil official(s).* What kind of appearance he had I leave to you...
*I suppose maybe this is something like this: He is the aide of the youngest princess of the kingdom of seahorses.

Really interesting concept.
 

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