Sorry for the necro but I want more cartoony silly voices like Pepper, Ryuto, and Shiki Taigen/Chibi Shiki-ji. Realistic voices are just starting to sound the same at this point.
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Agree! I also wish there were more English ones, is there a single English character vocal aside from Sonika? (Having a character design alone is different, the Eclipsed Sounds banks are still professional vocalists)
It's hard to say because most English vocals with character designs are just, the VP's voice as a vocal synth (Ruby, Dex, Daina, Anri, Jun, etc.)
Maybe Eleanor Forte standard counts since they say her samples were pitched up?
Maybe Eleanor Forte standard counts since they say her samples were pitched up?
If we include non-native en banks, then the clostest is probably Macne nana ENG
I have a few.
First, Miku English (Any version) sounds like absolute garbage to me. I can’t even tell what she is saying 99% of the time. However, there are a few that are decent like Magical Cure Love Shot.
Second, I am tired of everything being about Miku. Like yeah, her voicebank is good, but it is not *that* good and it is wayyyyy too overused. Give some love to other voicebanks, or hell make new voicebanks.
Third, I am getting tired of producers making super depressing/creepy music. I know some people like it, but it’s getting annoying every time I look at a songs lyrics and they are super depressing/creepy. Maybe they should try making some actually happy music for a change.
Finally, I don’t like when a producer makes one hugely popular song, and then their music quality rapidly decreases as they churn out more and more bad songs to feed the masses. This might not be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t care.
First, Miku English (Any version) sounds like absolute garbage to me. I can’t even tell what she is saying 99% of the time. However, there are a few that are decent like Magical Cure Love Shot.
Second, I am tired of everything being about Miku. Like yeah, her voicebank is good, but it is not *that* good and it is wayyyyy too overused. Give some love to other voicebanks, or hell make new voicebanks.
Third, I am getting tired of producers making super depressing/creepy music. I know some people like it, but it’s getting annoying every time I look at a songs lyrics and they are super depressing/creepy. Maybe they should try making some actually happy music for a change.
Finally, I don’t like when a producer makes one hugely popular song, and then their music quality rapidly decreases as they churn out more and more bad songs to feed the masses. This might not be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t care.
I kinda agree, and I also want to add to this by saying I honestly think Miku Solid sings English better sometimes than the actual Miku English VBs. Mainly because Miku Solid has this (good) quirk where it enunciates every consonant, so you can approximate English phonemes better with Solid than English if you want clarity and you have the patience to phoneme mix.
I know people have issues with V6's engine and cross-lang, but I'm still hoping Miku V6 will show huge improvements with Miku's English, since it'll be an AI bank.
Pretty sure this isn't an unpopular opinion. A lot of us have felt this way for years. Crypton has 5 other voicebanks and they don't really push them as much as Miku. I get that she's popular and the face of the company but the others deserve love as well. Other companies have great voicebanks as well and I wish they were pushed more when it comes to marketing, merchandise, concerts, etc.
From personal observation this was way more severe in the past: We have a new gen of vsynths with the Kamitsubaki and Tokyo6 girls but also the English third-party SynthVs that are doing well AND some characters like Teto, Yuki or Zundamon notably increasing in popularity. Also ever since the release of Project Sekai Crypton seems to be more focussed on their vocals as a group instead of just being Miku and friends. You can also look at VocaColle charts to see that since 2020 in relation Miku gets used less and other vocals get used more.
Miku is an icon that introduced many of us to vsynths, a lot of ppl (even those that don't like anime) have seen her at least once w all the collabs she had, and putting her in the center makes a lot of sense for me despite her voicebank feeling really outdated
To add on to this it really doesn't help that Crypton keeps butchering everyone else besides Miku. Just look at how Superpack turned out. I'd like to forget that even happened but it's not giving me much hope for future updates.
Crypton posted an anniversary song for Luka the other day, and she sounded far too cutesy and Miku-like compared to all of her previous banks, which is really bothering me now (even though I'm not exactly the biggest Luka stan around. I like her, but she doesn't top Miku for me).
Not sure if you saw my latest status but I listened to it and yeah she sounds a lot like Miku I can't even be surprised by this anymore. People are mainly commenting on Twitter and Instagram about it with the top comment on that song's post being" Every time a producer gives Luka chipmunk tuning, an angel loses its wings." Heck, back in August when Superpack came out and I made a comment on their Instagram post saying "That is NOT Luka" and it's also the most liked comment on that post which has a lot of other people complaining about it too. People are clearly disappointed and are being vocal about it but Crypton doesn't care. Being a Luka stan nowadays is hard. Sorry for the rant.
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I feel really bad for Luka fans too, Crypton obviously thinks that cute higher pitched voices are more popular - while this is likely true, fans of that style already have Miku, and she'll never be beaten in that niche. I wish Crypton would lean into the unique qualities that drew people to Luka in the first place, and recognise that she can bring in an audience that Miku doesn't. Even if that fanbase isn't as large, it's better than cannibalising your own sales.
Luka's voice is also really well suited to modern developments in vocal synths, where soft mature voices reign supreme, and has massive potential with Western fans who are less interested in cuteness. The mad part is that Crypton themselves knew this: they designed Luka and chose her voice with the intention of marketing her overseas. Now Crypton has that overseas audience, they're failing to capitalise on it.
Luka's voice is also really well suited to modern developments in vocal synths, where soft mature voices reign supreme, and has massive potential with Western fans who are less interested in cuteness. The mad part is that Crypton themselves knew this: they designed Luka and chose her voice with the intention of marketing her overseas. Now Crypton has that overseas audience, they're failing to capitalise on it.
Not really related to Crypton's oversaturation of Miku promoting. But I've noticed a good amount of Vocaloid fans telling new fans (for example, those who found Miku through Fortnite) that they shouldn't feel the need to explore any other Vocaloids (usually by saying "you don't need to know who every single Vocaloid is").
To an extent, I get it. Not everyone is willing to go down the rabbit hole that is vocal synths, and I'm not saying people have to memorize every name. But why not try to encourage some exploration of other, lesser known Vocaloids? Especially for new fans.
Yeah, that was where I was going. My favorite vocaloids are Meiko and Kaito, and I hardly see them recognized at all. Plus, there are tons of vocaloids that I would love to see more recognized or used. Some examples include vy1 and vy2 for their general good quality, AVANNA for a not insanely high-pitched voice, and Big Al for his deeper English voice.
TBH maybe it's rude of me, but as someone who was always a big fan of the lesser known Vocaloids, I always thought it was kind of laughable that people will say how unfair it is that ones like Meiko and Kaito don't get enough recognition. Like yeah, your average anime fan who doesn't get into Vocaloid may only know Miku, but all the Cryptonloids are still the hot shit. They're the ones who get songs in Project Diva and Project Sekai, and merch like figures and shirts and keychains, and concert appearances. Being the least known of the most well known group, is still being part of the most well known group lol
Anyway, that aside... I mean, it's not like I don't understand the sentiment of "ugh Miku again". I was a huuuge Kaito stan for many years, after all, and he's still one of my favorites. There's a meme floating around that I've lost now, where it jokes that the lifetime of a Vocaloid fan goes "omg Miku!!" -> "ugh not this Miku chick again" -> "omg Miku!!", and as someone who's been into Vocaloid for almost 15 years now, I've definitely found myself back at step 3
Crypton has 100% done Meiko and Luka dirty in their recent banks. It's very sad, and frustrating. I can't figure if they're doing it on purpose or just struggling to recapture the old sound, or what.
Anyway, that aside... I mean, it's not like I don't understand the sentiment of "ugh Miku again". I was a huuuge Kaito stan for many years, after all, and he's still one of my favorites. There's a meme floating around that I've lost now, where it jokes that the lifetime of a Vocaloid fan goes "omg Miku!!" -> "ugh not this Miku chick again" -> "omg Miku!!", and as someone who's been into Vocaloid for almost 15 years now, I've definitely found myself back at step 3
Crypton has 100% done Meiko and Luka dirty in their recent banks. It's very sad, and frustrating. I can't figure if they're doing it on purpose or just struggling to recapture the old sound, or what.
I don't think what you're implying is necessarily what this statement means. When I see these kinds of discussions happen in communities, whether technical, fandom, creative, etc... it's not a statement of "don't dive deeper", it's an anti-gatekeeping gesture that attempts to meet new members of the community where they're at.
For as long as the english-speaking cohort of this community has existed people have pooh-poohed on each other by saying things like, "Miku isn't an anime character, you're not a real fan", "Vocaloid isn't a genre, you're not a real fan," "X vocal is an UTAU, not a Vocaloid, you're not a real fan", "if you only know Miku, you're not a real fan". Not usually written in this explicit a context but you get what I mean. This is extremely common rhetoric, and this kind of thing exists in nearly every online community you can imagine.
When we meet these new fans with this kind of dismissive discussion, we don't create new super-fans. We drive away young people that could become super-fans with time. By lowering the barrier to entry and saying, "you don't need to know every single vocaloid to be a fan of this scene, come on in, the water's fine", you make it possible for people to begin that journey of discovery, and have those deeper discussions, in the first place.
I guess that is a fair point I didn't consider...
I just wish there was more active encouragement to explore the other 100-something Vocaloids that we have here, instead of only Miku and the Cryptonloids, Teto and whatever other character breaches containment for the month. There's so many Vocaloids I never see people talk about, except for their super-fans. Like cmon, I can't be only one of 15 Macne Nana fans in our unholy year of 2025.
Lmao yeah. Like, Meiko and Kaito are decently popular, as far as non-Miku Vocaloids go. Bonus points for people saying that Luka is underrated. If a character is a Cryptonloid, they are NOT underrated, where are people getting this idea from.
What's strange to me is they've ALWAYS been pushing Miku heavily overseas, even when it was more niche. Miku, Rin, and Len will never manage to make significant inroads in the West, just due to their vocal style. If Internet had marketed Gumi English a bit better Gumi could've probably completely, permanently overtaken Miku in the West.
Kaito is particularly annoying in terms of "oh they're underrated" because he is THE SINGLE MOST USED MALE VOCAL SYNTH. He's the DEFAULT!!!
(Len is ahead of him by some metrics but Len doesn't really fill a male vocal role anyway so I'm not counting him)
YMMV, but it's questionable if Crypton knew how to make Meiko and Kaito at any point - they didn't make the V1s, and some people think the later vbs never properly replicated them. (I think Meiko V3 is fine personally but I know it has detractors. I don't think Kaito V3 is a good replication of V1...
Luka songs for her 16th Anniversary are pretty good (but I understand the complaints about the Super Pack and her tuned voice, but I feel is something more about producers choice and sound signature of each producer, and let's see what will eventually happen with Luka V6 and NT2 in the future) 
chant is very powerful, like it so much
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Its even happening with Meiko, the one whos suppose to be the most mature sounding. In a lot of PJSK covers they've made her voice very cutesy and high pitch. And sometimes sounding like Miku