At least Crypton hasn't gotten rid of Luka V2 and Meiko V1 yet, so you can use their older vbs if you really want the non Miku like sound and are willing to use older software. The downsides are that you're stuck using older editors for them, they're only available as package versions, and still the same price as when they were released.
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Another issue is that V1 and V2 might have issues running on modern OSs. I know V1 had some program-breaking glitches on Windows 7 back in the day that were a pain to work around.
V1 is officially discontinued a la Yamaha (and Zero-G's trio), but Crypton still sells Meiko and Kaito V1. I haven't ever emailed for support for them, but they may still support them as well. They're quite expensive IIRC, some $200 each.
Anyway my experience with V1 on Win7 and Win10 was always okay. Sometimes it failed to install, and I'd have to reboot the computer and try again. And the infamous "hold the mouse for 3 seconds and the editor crashes" bug. So you'd just make sure you saved often. It functioned generally alright, aside from the mouse button thing. Sometimes if you ran the program as administrator you could get it to last for 5 seconds before crashing.
That said, my experience with it in Win11 is actually that it installed completely fine AND the mouse button glitch is totally gone. You can hold the mouse down as long as you like. Back before Xitter died (and I deleted my account so I can't go back and check ORZ) I had a short discussion with someone on there wondering how that might have been fixed, from a software standpoint. Since usually old programs degrade on progressively newer OS's, not improve. Someone suggested that something about Win11's memory allocation may have changed. And that somehow that means V1 survives. It's neat!
for older versions of software like Vocaloid 1, there are some things to try:
1) install the NET 3.5 Framework and try the compatibility tool of Win10/Win11, just right click on the .exe file, Properties, choose the Compatibility tab and select "Windows XP" or "Windows 7" from the menu
2) create a Virtual Machine with free software like QEMU or VirtualBox, and then install on it Windows XP or Windows 7(think of it like an advanced PC emulator):
www.qemu.org
www.virtualbox.org
3) if you use Linux, install Wine, which is very good for using any Windows application on Linux, and I know that many Vocaloid software works well with Wine:
www.winehq.org
4) another alternative might be using ReactOS, a free open-source project developed since 1996 that is basically a reverse-engineered version of Windows, so it can run most of the applications and games:
5) or the easier thing to do, go to Ebay and buy for cheap an old used laptop or office pc with Windows XP/Windows 7 
1) install the NET 3.5 Framework and try the compatibility tool of Win10/Win11, just right click on the .exe file, Properties, choose the Compatibility tab and select "Windows XP" or "Windows 7" from the menu
2) create a Virtual Machine with free software like QEMU or VirtualBox, and then install on it Windows XP or Windows 7(think of it like an advanced PC emulator):
QEMU
www.qemu.org
Oracle VirtualBox
WineHQ - Run Windows applications on Linux, BSD, Solaris and macOS
Open Source Software for running Windows applications on other operating systems.
www.winehq.org
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Wine (and I assume ReactOS) can cause serious problems with Vocaloid's activations, so I wouldn't recommend trying that, especially not with the touchy V1.
It's rather scattershot whether you will have luck getting V1 to work on Win10 onward or not; Leon above and some others I've spoken to had no issues, but it was a royal pain in the butt to get working for me on Win10, and some others never got it working at all.
It's rather scattershot whether you will have luck getting V1 to work on Win10 onward or not; Leon above and some others I've spoken to had no issues, but it was a royal pain in the butt to get working for me on Win10, and some others never got it working at all.
Yes, results do seem to vary... if the guides and tips are intimidating, it is worth just trying a normal default install a couple times, but then yes I do recommend following the guide(s)
I'm not sure buying an old Win7 computer just for V1 is what I'd recommend though, since you still end up with the mouse bug. Forgive me, I don't know if it happened on XP. If you're going to try V1 on "modern" Windows, you seriously may as well do it on Win11. At least then even if it DOES end up being a pain and you have to fight it a bit, you come out the other side without the mouse button crash
I'm not sure buying an old Win7 computer just for V1 is what I'd recommend though, since you still end up with the mouse bug. Forgive me, I don't know if it happened on XP. If you're going to try V1 on "modern" Windows, you seriously may as well do it on Win11. At least then even if it DOES end up being a pain and you have to fight it a bit, you come out the other side without the mouse button crash
Probably has been stated before, but I'm not the biggest fan of KAFU. She sounds too much like a chipmunk to me. (Someone please make a cover of The Chipmunk Song with her.)
Not sure if concert opinions count but I don't get why Expo's are so allergic to replaying certain songs again. I'll forever be devastated that I couldn't get tickets in 2016 and they played my 2 favorite songs that year and never again. I really hope they bring them back in the future but I feel like 1 song is more likely than the other. The songs are World's End Dancehall and Magnet btw.
Edit: I've 100% ranted about this on here before.
Edit: I've 100% ranted about this on here before.
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I'm still annoyed they held that poll mainly for Japanese fans, who vastly preferred a demo VB featuring Kafu sounding closest to the real KAF, only to backpedal and go with a voice that was more unrealistic. I know KAF didn't want a VB that sounded too close to her in real life, but that goal should have been made clear from the start when they announced Kafu. It's also the main reason why Kafu SynthV got canned recently.
I think it's been a while since I've shared an opinion on here, but recently, I've become simutaneously annoyed and amused at DECO*27 fans complaining about their recent songs sounding boring/mediocre compared to their older work. By "annoyed and amused", my extremely unpopular opinion is that DECO's music has always been mid at best, and it cracks me up that some of their fans have only just realised what I've always known for years.
Would it be wrong if I compared DECO to Coldplay's reception in the UK? Because for me, both acts have always been milquetoast and intentionally make crowdpleasing tracks because they can follow trends and adapt when necessary, which doesn't allow for truly interesting music to come from them. Coldplay have also gone through a similarly positive to negative reaction from their longtime fans over their career, even though some British music fans will tell you they were always bland and something of a poor man's Radiohead when they started out.
For me Deco has always been a hit or miss producer. A lot of his best songs either get overlooked or fade into obscurity as time goes on.I've become simutaneously annoyed and amused at DECO*27 fans complaining about their recent songs sounding boring/mediocre compared to their older work. By "annoyed and amused", my extremely unpopular opinion is that DECO's music has always been mid at best, and it cracks me up that some of their fans have only just realised what I've always known for years.
full honesty, i don’t like gumi’s synthV design. I mean it’s good, but it makes her seem like any other anime girl. Her v4 and below designs tbh i didn’t really like those at first, but honestly i like that design better, it seems more… how do i put it…… it seems more normal??? I’m not sure how to put it lol. (And i know they’re separate synthesizers, but still!)
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It could be just me, but designs for non-SV to SV update are very hit or miss for me. We have characters like Teto, Una, or Miki who have 10/10 dead drop gorgeous SV update designs but then on the other side there are characters like Maki, Yuyao or Sora which I think had quite better previous designs
If we're speaking about Gumi I do like her design and the idea behind it but it's nothing groundbreaking compared to the designs I mentioned above
If we're speaking about Gumi I do like her design and the idea behind it but it's nothing groundbreaking compared to the designs I mentioned above
Yeah, I think a lot of people here in the west just think of Miku as a goofy silly meme character...
It's probably due to the Friday Funk'n, MLP, and fortnite cameos but I don't really care much.
Though it seemed to influence Low quality english covers since EN fanbase takes her as a joke, which does irk me a little.
Though it seemed to influence Low quality english covers since EN fanbase takes her as a joke, which does irk me a little.
I don’t actually like Gumi English that much. Yes, it is a decent voicebank, but the amount of times I’ve seen people WHO HAVE OTHER, BETTER VOICEBANKS BTW use Gumi Eng for a song that doesn’t work well with her vocal type is insane. It feels like if you don’t use Miku English or Gumi English, you will not make it far in the fandom. As well, Miku English is garbage, and the fandom say oH iTs sOO GooD like no it’s really not. Usually it’s hard to make out actual English words unless you can see the lyrics, or you already know the lyrics. Ditto with Gumi too.
I think this was true of 5-10 years ago, but I don't think it's so much the case anymore. I rarely see Vocaloid English, or even Gumi's SynthV used in English original songs nowadays. The most popular English voicebank is (from observation) definitely Teto SynthV! Of course, Miku's still gets plenty of use because she's an icon, but the difficulty of using her voicebanks vs the ease of SynthV makes her a more niche choice. Without a doubt, you don't need to use any of Gumi's English voicebanks to get views; she's not in the zeitgeist, and much less popular than other options. If she gets a killer SV2 update, I could see her becoming a bigger draw, but I doubt she'll ever return to dominating the scene like she used to.
Scrolling through 10 pages of recent English originals on Vocadb, Miku still gets quite a few songs, but Gumi is barely anywhere to be seen.
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Okay here's my unpopular opinion. I don't understand the complete blind trust people seem to have for Magni AI? Like yeah, a new vocal synth is exciting, and it's super cool to see them want to bring back some older engloids, but for goodness' sake it's mentioned as being in development in some of the earliest posts on this thread! In 2018!
I wanna see things work out, but I find the lack of concern to be well... Concerning
I wanna see things work out, but I find the lack of concern to be well... Concerning
This is actually a popular opinion on here lol. Are there more people being willfully blind on Xitter/Bluesky? Many of us on this forum are old school vocal synth fans who can remember all sorts of fan synth and VB projects going up in flames for different reasons, which is why some of us like to clown on Maghni AI.