Once a new version releases, it's usually done for updates of the previous version. Even more since they try to push more for the subscription
VOCALOID Crypton new Miku NT ver.2, Miku V6 and Piapro Characters Super Pack
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That is my main concern here. It isn't a big deal if I don't get the latest features; however, it is a big deal if there are potential security risks or bugs that won't get fixed.
I might have completely misunderstood, but the way I read the email announcement from Presonus, it seemed like there was going to be some kind of maintenance plan that will bring the updates. So essentially, you have:
- Initial purchase of Studio One Pro, which is yours forever
- Maintenance plan thing, which is basically you paying on a recurring basis (e.g. annually) for software updates/new features. You can stop paying anytime and keep what you have, but you won't continue to get new stuff (until, I assume, you pay again and get access to the most current Studio One build).
- Optionally, your subscription to Presonus Sphere (that's still the name...right?), which gives you loops/plugins/etc. I'm not clear on how that would relate to the maintenance thing--I assume Sphere would include it.
Yeah, I love Studio One to death as a DAW but I don't like this system. FL Studio lets you pay once and get updates for life...I much prefer S1's workflow though
Every once in awhile, I think about switching DAWs, and FL is one of the ones I've had recommended. What's the difference between their workflows?
Though honestly, my only real complaint with Studio One is its nonstandard MIDI implementation, which means that it can't do MIDI routing that would support things like MIDI Shaper or Imaginando's Visual Synth. (There are workarounds, but I've not had much success with them.). By contrast, I've seen complaints that look a bit more serious about other DAWs I've looked into. Which honestly is probably going to be the case about ANY DAW you try researching, so at this point, I sort of figure it's most sensible to prefer the devil I know....
Still, I can't help but ask, because I see people preferring one DAW's workflow over another's, but they never elaborate on what that means.
FL Studio has a completely different system to studio one.
Compared to studio one where one instrument track = midi notes for 1 instrument, in fl studio the tracks don't really mean anything, you place "patterns" on them.
And one pattern can contain notes for multiple instruments at once and even contain samples.
also compared to studio one where an instrument has a mixer channel assigned to it, on fl studio that's not the case, you manually set a mixer channel to each instrument and sample by ID.
FL Studio's system is basically very modular but it also means it's very easy to make things very messy if we're not comfortable with this workflow. meanwhile, studio one's workflow is more standard and predefined, but at least it's very intuitive and easy to use.
FL Studio always came across as more complicated to me, like there's a lot going on and it can be hard to wrap my head around it, from my experience using the trial (the mobile version is a lot simpler though)
We had FL Studio in secondary school, and even when I was a teen, I thought it was too complicated for 11-16 year olds to use for Music lessons.
Miku NT2 Early Access Beta will be available from October 23rd(●'◡'●)
official page:
sonicwire.com
official page:
『初音ミク NT (Ver.2)』 Early Access版 特設ページ | SONICWIRE
クリプトン・フューチャー・メディアが独自に開発した新しい歌声合成エンジン（社内開発コード：M9）を採用し、クリエイターの創作を支援する機能群を搭載した、新しい『初音ミク NT (Ver.2)』を開発しております。
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Great people who have Miku NT will get this for free.
Crypton posted a little demonstration of the Piapro NT Beta, btw.
I don't know that I think this sounds any better than what we have now?? Maybe I need to hear actual tuning for a whole song instead of some "la la la"s and a bar of a song on its own. And is it just me, or was the audio almost skipping/looping on a couple of the quarter note "la"s at the beginning there? Also, I think the voice drive parts were... odd. Like old V4 growl style.
Some of the Miku snippets that we thought were NT 2.0 are so genuinely good that I don't want to be negative, but assuming NT 2.0 really is a huge step up, this video hasn't really put that forward imo.
Some of the Miku snippets that we thought were NT 2.0 are so genuinely good that I don't want to be negative, but assuming NT 2.0 really is a huge step up, this video hasn't really put that forward imo.
some of those snippets might be miku v6 tbf
Miku NT ver.2 Early Access information 
sonicwire.com
(translated from the official Sonicwire blog)
The release of the Early Access (Beta) version of "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" is fast approaching next week, so we would like to provide you with some more details.
First, please take a look at the video we have prepared in which you can hear the new singing voice, new functions (Automatic Control), and the effects of various parameters.
Once again, "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" is the latest version of "Hatsune Miku NT" that uses a new singing voice synthesis engine (internal development code: M9) developed independently by Crypton Future Media. You can enjoy a stronger, more Hatsune Miku-like singing voice than ever before.
Please stay tuned as the latest information will be posted on the special page.
sonicwire.com
Q. Since it's a new engine, NT, does that mean the product name will be "Hatsune Miku NT2"?
A. The product name will remain "Hatsune Miku NT". For the time being, while the old and new engines are still mixed, and until the release of the major update, we will refer to it as "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" for the sake of convenience.
This is with the intention of providing both the Early Access version and the major update version free of charge to existing "Hatsune Miku NT" users.
Q. What is the difference from the original "Hatsune Miku NT"?
A. First of all, the singing voice synthesis engine is completely new. However, careful research and development was carried out to ensure that the traditional Hatsune Miku-ness was not lost.
In addition, since the engine is new, the installed parameters (such as the Super Formant Shifter) have been newly developed for the new engine.
In addition, we have added a function called "Piapro Studio - Automatic Control." This is a general term for a group of functions such as automatic pitch curve application, automatic vibrato application, and automatic consonant length adjustment. We have added this function in the hope that we can provide a better starting point for music creators so that they can concentrate even more on their creative activities.
Q. Can Automatic Control be turned on/off?
A: Yes you can.
Q. How do I apply Automatic Control?
A. It is automatically applied as you type the notes, so you can achieve a natural singing expression without even thinking about it.
Q. Is each parameter repeatable with Automatic Control?
A. In the case of the same voice library, pitch, and lyrics (phonemes), the expression will be reproduced. *Not limited to this, we are considering various updates in the future.
Q. Will the current "Hatsune Miku NT" no longer be usable? What will happen to "Piapro Studio NT"?
A. "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" will be provided as a new application/plug-in called "Piapro Studio NT2." Those who are currently using "Hatsune Miku NT" can continue to use it.
Recently, we held a prototype exhibit at Hatsune Miku "Magical Mirai 2024" in Osaka, and we received a lot of expectations, opinions, and support. Thank you very much. We would like to take this opportunity to thank you all. The entire development team will continue to work hard to provide you with better singing voices and software.
「初音ミク NT(Ver.2)」の新機能紹介＆FAQ | SONICWIRE BLOG
「初音ミク NT(Ver.2)」Early Access（ベータ）版の公開がいよいよ来週に迫ってまいりましたの
(translated from the official Sonicwire blog)
The release of the Early Access (Beta) version of "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" is fast approaching next week, so we would like to provide you with some more details.
First, please take a look at the video we have prepared in which you can hear the new singing voice, new functions (Automatic Control), and the effects of various parameters.
Once again, "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" is the latest version of "Hatsune Miku NT" that uses a new singing voice synthesis engine (internal development code: M9) developed independently by Crypton Future Media. You can enjoy a stronger, more Hatsune Miku-like singing voice than ever before.
Please stay tuned as the latest information will be posted on the special page.
『初音ミク NT (Ver.2)』 Early Access版 特設ページ | SONICWIRE
クリプトン・フューチャー・メディアが独自に開発した新しい歌声合成エンジン（社内開発コード：M9）を採用し、クリエイターの創作を支援する機能群を搭載した、新しい『初音ミク NT (Ver.2)』を開発しております。
A. The product name will remain "Hatsune Miku NT". For the time being, while the old and new engines are still mixed, and until the release of the major update, we will refer to it as "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" for the sake of convenience.
This is with the intention of providing both the Early Access version and the major update version free of charge to existing "Hatsune Miku NT" users.
Q. What is the difference from the original "Hatsune Miku NT"?
A. First of all, the singing voice synthesis engine is completely new. However, careful research and development was carried out to ensure that the traditional Hatsune Miku-ness was not lost.
In addition, since the engine is new, the installed parameters (such as the Super Formant Shifter) have been newly developed for the new engine.
In addition, we have added a function called "Piapro Studio - Automatic Control." This is a general term for a group of functions such as automatic pitch curve application, automatic vibrato application, and automatic consonant length adjustment. We have added this function in the hope that we can provide a better starting point for music creators so that they can concentrate even more on their creative activities.
Q. Can Automatic Control be turned on/off?
A: Yes you can.
Q. How do I apply Automatic Control?
A. It is automatically applied as you type the notes, so you can achieve a natural singing expression without even thinking about it.
Q. Is each parameter repeatable with Automatic Control?
A. In the case of the same voice library, pitch, and lyrics (phonemes), the expression will be reproduced. *Not limited to this, we are considering various updates in the future.
Q. Will the current "Hatsune Miku NT" no longer be usable? What will happen to "Piapro Studio NT"?
A. "Hatsune Miku NT (Ver.2)" will be provided as a new application/plug-in called "Piapro Studio NT2." Those who are currently using "Hatsune Miku NT" can continue to use it.
Recently, we held a prototype exhibit at Hatsune Miku "Magical Mirai 2024" in Osaka, and we received a lot of expectations, opinions, and support. Thank you very much. We would like to take this opportunity to thank you all. The entire development team will continue to work hard to provide you with better singing voices and software.
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imo... if i heard people, like you, talking about how they didn't really feel this was a huge upgrade... i'd totally get where you're coming from, yk? but as an NT fan, i can totally see the ways in which they've essentially 'rebuilt' the engine for a lot of this... i feel as if her timbre/the engine noise comes off as more intentional and 'natural', rather than simply low quality like the first ever NT beta. i also think that the other general params sound better - the voice voltage in particular seemed to do its job pretty well.
i'm not really sure if this is the big update lots of people were expecting, but for someone like me who finds NT a really fun engine to use anyway, i feel as if this will come with a lot of things that make it more useable and fun to do so, and that naturally what people can bring out of the engine will be what sounds best (like, miku NT 1.0 can already be tuned really well, i feel as if this will be a much better user experience and better sound overall, even if the final product doesn't necessarily SEEM too different from the outside)...
...idk. at least crypton is wanting to try new things like with V6 too, and they have a bit more of a vision with NT - i would certainly say they're doing something good, even if the engine could still be considered a lot more narrow in terms of use-cases unlike miku v2.
Aw you know, from that perspective, this is actually really nice. It's so good to hear from the users and more intended audiences of things like these sometimes! Thank you for sharing, and being really kind and informative even though my post was admittedly not very optimistic. I appreciate the input, and I do agree that I've heard some surprisingly awesome NT 1.0 uses, so I look forward to hearing what people do with 2.0!
On my initial listen to the video, I was also confused as to how the voice sounded so poor when it sounded so much better at Magical Mirai, but when the instrumental portion started playing, I felt like I could hear problems with that too. My theory was that the NT2 showcase uploaded to Sonicwire's channel used a low quality audio encoding/bitrate within its video, so to test it out I decided to do the following:
I used two, third party, YT -> MP4 services to download the NT2 Showcase video and an unrelated video to compare. Since I can't download the original video itself, we will never know the true audio quality - but we can compare to other videos using the same parameters to gauge a general idea!
For Serivce1, I downloaded and compared NT2's showcase video and an Ariana Grande lyric video.
For Service2, I downloaded and compared NT2's showcase video and a Miku V4C demonstration video.
In Service1, the difference was much more drastic (with NT2 S1.mp4's audio bitrate being less than half of the Ariana Grande video's bitrate), but in both instances the video had a significantly less audio bitrate than other videos.
Therefore, this video does not seem to be an accurate reflection of NT2's sound quality. Honestly, it sounds more like they used the native screen recorder built in Windows 11 or something, and just didn't care to go back and adjust anything / re-do it.
I used two, third party, YT -> MP4 services to download the NT2 Showcase video and an unrelated video to compare. Since I can't download the original video itself, we will never know the true audio quality - but we can compare to other videos using the same parameters to gauge a general idea!
For Serivce1, I downloaded and compared NT2's showcase video and an Ariana Grande lyric video.
For Service2, I downloaded and compared NT2's showcase video and a Miku V4C demonstration video.
In Service1, the difference was much more drastic (with NT2 S1.mp4's audio bitrate being less than half of the Ariana Grande video's bitrate), but in both instances the video had a significantly less audio bitrate than other videos.
Therefore, this video does not seem to be an accurate reflection of NT2's sound quality. Honestly, it sounds more like they used the native screen recorder built in Windows 11 or something, and just didn't care to go back and adjust anything / re-do it.
I was curious and checked too the bitrate with the yt-dlp tool, and yes, the bitrate of both audio and video is not very high, in detail we have available:
audio: .m4a format (129k bitrate) or .opus format (62k bitrate)
video: .avc1 h264 format and .vp9 formats available, up to 1080p limited to 30fps (bitrate setting low-medium)
usually, the audio bitrate is around 130k for .m4a and 140~150k for .opus, and since there is that 62k bitrate for .opus, probably the screen capture and editing tool used to make the video had like an export video setting to "mobile/low quality" upload, then you add the bad youtube compression. That's why I always prefer NicoNico, since its default audio bitrate is 192k.
my guess is that, since both Crypton and Sonicwire tech staff must be very busy now with all development schedule of NT ver.2 and Vocaloid 6, probably they asked an office employee to record and edit the video. the tech staff surely noticed too the low audio bitrate of the upload, but since is a video meant to showcase the user interface and some of the available settings of the Beta version soon to be released, they kept the video.
Now that I think about it, I remember that in the past some video demo uploaded on Sonicwire channel had a low audio quality and they decided to re-upload some videos later again with a higher audio bitrate, but those were audio tracks demo and had different audio output settings (like the Magical Mirai presentation).
audio: .m4a format (129k bitrate) or .opus format (62k bitrate)
video: .avc1 h264 format and .vp9 formats available, up to 1080p limited to 30fps (bitrate setting low-medium)
usually, the audio bitrate is around 130k for .m4a and 140~150k for .opus, and since there is that 62k bitrate for .opus, probably the screen capture and editing tool used to make the video had like an export video setting to "mobile/low quality" upload, then you add the bad youtube compression. That's why I always prefer NicoNico, since its default audio bitrate is 192k.
my guess is that, since both Crypton and Sonicwire tech staff must be very busy now with all development schedule of NT ver.2 and Vocaloid 6, probably they asked an office employee to record and edit the video. the tech staff surely noticed too the low audio bitrate of the upload, but since is a video meant to showcase the user interface and some of the available settings of the Beta version soon to be released, they kept the video.
Now that I think about it, I remember that in the past some video demo uploaded on Sonicwire channel had a low audio quality and they decided to re-upload some videos later again with a higher audio bitrate, but those were audio tracks demo and had different audio output settings (like the Magical Mirai presentation).
I think Crypton might intentionally post the NT demo video in a LQ manner to reduce everyone's expectations. This is because the earlier clip of demo (also the same second version of NT) has a higher quality compared to the newly uploaded Youtube video:
www.bilibili.com
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