VOCALOID Crypton new Miku NT ver.2, Miku V6 and Piapro Characters Super Pack

[AmazingStrange39]

It sounds so much clearer, less noisy and more like Miku! I really like it actually.

 

[kimiworld]

It sounds so much clearer, less noisy and more like Miku! I really like it actually.

It is too preliminary for us to criticize or to compliment the voicebank. We should listen to real-life tuning from vocaloid producers first.

However based on the demos, I can definitely say that the sounds from the voicebank has improved in terms of the "crispness" (especially Demo Phrase F and Demo Phrase R), but somehow it still sounds a little more "synthetic" or "unhealthy" (sounds like having a running nose or cold) compared to her vocaloid's versions (especially the growl usage of Demo Phrase M sounds not so pleasant to my ears).

Anyway, I am waiting for more (real-life) demos before making final conclusion on whether the voicebank is good or not so good.

 

[AmazingStrange39]

It is too preliminary for us to criticize or to compliment the voicebank. We should listen to real-life tuning from vocaloid producers first.

However based on the demos, I can definitely say that the sounds from the voicebank has improved in terms of the "crispness" (especially Demo Phrase F and Demo Phrase R), but somehow it still sounds a little more "synthetic" or "unhealthy" (sounds like having a running nose or cold) compared to her vocaloid's versions (especially the growl usage of Demo Phrase M sounds not so pleasant to my ears).

Anyway, I am waiting for more (real-life) demos before making final conclusion on whether the voicebank is good or not so good.

miku nt has always sounded "stuffy", i think miku nt2 is an overall improvement

 

[blackout]

I really like what I’ve heard of NT2 usage so far too. Miku sounds clearer and more lively compared to NT1. I like her tone a loooot more. The engine noise isn’t nearly as grating to me as it was before as well. It does sound like it’s the improvement that she needed. Excited to see how they’ll update her beyond Early Access

 

[InstallGentoo]

just as a FYI. there's no automatic updater so you have to pay attention to the mailing list and update to latest version for up to date bug testing.
that said, how to properly file bug reports with the jp devs? I don't really want to waste their time with poor or outdated reports and poor language skills that makes it harder to reproduce a issue.

 

[kimiworld]

Currently, there are a few real-life usages of Hatsune Miku NT 2.0

【初音ミクNT2】阳炎眩乱/カゲロウデイズ_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

NT2=屎，C社吹上天的AI仅限于自动控制颤音、辅音长短和音高曲线(可操作的选项基本等于没有，只是个开关)好像音高自动有个阈值音符超过4拍就会自动套用一个曲线(算法很抽象只有一种曲线)自动颤音的长度也是音符固定最后两拍开始，好像和颤音曲线共用一套算法，唯一可以调节的就是颤音幅度(频率不行)C社你迭代到0.9.1.0就挤出这么一点东西我也是服了，前排出售二手NT附赠NT2测试资格（bushi）——本, 视频播放量 675、弹幕量 0、点赞数 37、投硬币枚数 10、收藏人数 15、转发人数 4, 视频作者 没有鹅妈妈的四月, 作者简介...

www.bilibili.com

The following are the comparison demo between NT 1.0 and NT 2.0

初音ミクNT2代与1代声音对比（干声）_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

自调了一段对比还是有进步的（？, 视频播放量 2923、弹幕量 2、点赞数 88、投硬币枚数 0、收藏人数 38、转发人数 20, 视频作者 函数P, 作者简介 Hi～这里是函数，合作请私信～，相关视频：「初音未来NT (Ver.2)」Early Access - 歌曲演示试听，初音未来V6 AIβ（beta）跨语种中文测试疑似泄露，【生肉】“初音未来 NT”新版本登场！工作人员演示Early Access版 & 解说调音，【官方投稿】オブソミート /...

www.bilibili.com

初音未来 NT ver.1与NT ver.2 （测试版）有无auto的对比（千本樱无参）_哔哩哔哩_bilibili

原曲——千本樱为了测试高音，副歌部分升了一个八度，测评不完善NT ver.2听起来好像有点不大清晰且分贝较大，我也不知道为什么，工程也是这样的声音, 视频播放量 1413、弹幕量 2、点赞数 41、投硬币枚数 4、收藏人数 14、转发人数 5, 视频作者 红月忆故人, 作者简介 一个有趣账号的不有趣的大号，相关视频：Billboard术力口周榜 2024/11/13 2024年第46周（第89期），【术力口】但是只听前奏两秒猜术曲？，谷歌翻译30次猜术曲! ! !（极难慎入，【一亿播放！】メズマライザー 油管一亿播放纪念同人动画（作者：Atena），匹...

www.bilibili.com

 

[MagicalMiku]

just as a FYI. there's no automatic updater so you have to pay attention to the mailing list and update to latest version for up to date bug testing.
that said, how to properly file bug reports with the jp devs? I don't really want to waste their time with poor or outdated reports and poor language skills that makes it harder to reproduce a issue.

I recommend to first check this support page (available both in japanese and english), since it is updated whenever an issue is discovered:

SUPPORT | SONICWIRE

「音」に関するソフトウェア、プラグイン、素材の総合ダウンロードストア、SONICWIRE

sonicwire.com

if your issue isn't listed in that page, then I think you can contact the support from the website (only in japanese, so you should use a translator tool writing in simple english so it translates in japanese) or maybe wait a little to see if that issue is resolved with a new patch
for example, these are new specifications and issues listed on the page:

- [Added on Oct. 24] Since the parameter responsiveness in "Piapro Studio NT2" is adjusted for better vocal expression, you may not achieve the same results when loading project files from "Piapro Studio NT".
- [Added on Oct. 25] When both the previous "Piapro Studio NT" and the Early Access version "Piapro Studio NT2" are open simultaneously in a DAW project, saving the DAW project may result in "Piapro Studio NT2" not launching the next time the project is opened.

Sonicwire support page (select "Technical Support", login with your account and write the message to the developers):

SUPPORT - お問い合わせ | SONICWIRE

お問い合わせフォームです。

sonicwire.com

 

[BANKARA_TEEvie]

NT2 is such a mystery to me.
i'll cave and say, i understand why people are saying the engine noise has gotten stronger in points - and given they had to rebuild from the ground up, it feels very likely we have confirmation now that crypton... def struggles with some of the engine-making aspects!
funnily enough though, after listening to a number of tests with and without a mix, i still believe this update has more pros than cons personally (it's just that the cons are... kinda completely different cons from NT1?)

it's all really hard to explain, but from hearing her IN the mix with instrumental and fx etc, i feel as if a lot of the blemishes/engine quirks can be hid a lot easier, and what you're left with is something that sounds adjacent to miku V2 but with a bunch of new options and (subjectively) easier to use.

i think the fact that this update introduces new issues at all might be reason to turn people away ("they've had so much time to get, like, most of this sounding/working better"), but i still truly feel that NT2 is a better product - if THIS was what we got instead of the very first NT beta, i think people would've warmed to it much better, but sadly that's not the case OTL.
NT seems like it's going to be a very long term project, though, if they're going the way of making iterations like this but releasing them for free. i feel as if there's something different about the way they're handling it, over say how most other synth releases/updates are.
maybe not for everyone, but i'd say i have more hope in the future of CV.

 

[AmazingStrange39]

i feel like miku nt2 is exactly what crypton wanted to accomplish with the voicebank in the first place

 

[SeleDreams]

Btw, I just found out so I'm sharing, it seems like crypton silently added back the Miku V3 bundle to sonicwire !
初音ミク V3 (incl. English)

For a long time only light and vivid were available on sonicwire but we can finally buy the full v3 bundle digitally ! I've waited for it since 2021

 

[AmazingStrange39]

Btw, I just found out so I'm sharing, it seems like crypton silently added back the Miku V3 bundle to sonicwire !
初音ミク V3 (incl. English)

For a long time only light and vivid were available on sonicwire but we can finally buy the full v3 bundle digitally ! I've waited for it since 2021

I think they added it back along with the rest of the packaging changes from a while back

 

[MagicalMiku]

some updated information about Specifications and Known Issues on the Support page of Miku NT ver.2 Early Access:
Specifications:

• The "Attack Speed" parameter is not available.
• Voice Color: Only supports "Accent."
• Vibrato: The "Vibrato" tab under "Note Settings..." is disabled. Manual input via the automation area shown when clicking the "Vibrato" button in the sidebar is also disabled.
• The "Portamento" option under "Note Settings..." is disabled when Automatic Control is turned on.
• An Automatic Update feature is disabled. Update information will be published on the SONICWIRE website and announced on the SONICWIRE blog. Additionally, users who have already installed the Early Access version and subscribed to the newsletter will be notified via email.
• [Added on Oct. 24] Since the parameter responsiveness in "Piapro Studio NT2" is adjusted for better vocal expression, you may not achieve the same results when loading project files from "Piapro Studio NT".

Known Issues:

• Manual vibrato cannot be applied from the waveform display section. Workaround: You can manually apply vibrato to any notes by selecting both "vibrato-applied notes" and "non-applied notes" simultaneously, then adjusting the vibrato length from the waveform display section.
• The application crashes when switching a track layer on a full-size piano roll display and then immediately exiting full-size mode after switching layers.
• The application crashes when pitch notes are muted, split, and then unmuted in order.
• The application crashes when unpronounceable elements, such as consonants or typos, are included at the end of a phonetic string.
• VoiceDrive turns off on the duplicated track when duplicating a track.
• The application freezes when pitch notes are moved to a fast-tempo range, and undo or moving them back to a slow range is performed.
• (Under investigation) Rendering waveform abnormalities may occur due to consecutive operations. Workaround: Changing and then restoring the note's pitch to trigger re-rendering improves the issue.
• The plugin may fail to launch in Digital Performer.
• [Added on Oct. 25] When both the previous "Piapro Studio NT" and the Early Access version "Piapro Studio NT2" are open simultaneously in a DAW project, saving the DAW project may result in "Piapro Studio NT2" not launching the next time the project is opened.
• [Added on Oct. 30] When "Apply to Consonant Length" in the Automatic Control settings is enabled, entering "sil," "asp," or "br" between closely positioned notes to break automatic connections may cause the application to crash.
• [Added on Nov. 5] In certain arrangements, editing or reloading after saving may cause issues with the consonant length of the note following an "ん (n)" note.
• [Added on Nov. 5] After loading MIDI with tempo information, the tempo becomes unselectable for range selection or deletion with the eraser tool.

SUPPORT | SONICWIRE

「音」に関するソフトウェア、プラグイン、素材の総合ダウンロードストア、SONICWIRE

sonicwire.com

also, on December 15th there will be Open Campus of japanese iUniversity in Sumida-ku, Tokyo [Special program just before winter break!] Learn from "Hatsune Miku NT"!

This seminar will explain the background to the development of the virtual singer "Hatsune Miku NT" and its impact on music creators and the music industry, and will also discuss entrepreneurial and business opportunities in the music industry based on the success stories of independent artists in the Japanese music industry.

[Special Program] Learn from "Hatsune Miku NT"! The shortest route to success in the music industry: 10:50-11:50
Special lecturer
Mr. Kiyodo Koizumi

Crypton Future Media, Inc. / SONICWIRE Music Business Team Manager Born in 1987 in Sapporo, Hokkaido. Joined Crypton Future Media, Inc. in 2008. In addition to developing businesses for music creators such as SONICWIRE.COM, SONOCA, KARENT, ROUTER.FM, and nodee, he is also a core member involved in promoting computer research for music creators and promoting the virtual singer product project.

 

[InstallGentoo]

New version update

 

[MagicalMiku]

from the Support page:

Here we list the specifications and reported/known issues for the "HATSUNE MIKU NT (Ver.2)" Early Access version as of November 20, 2024.

SUPPORT | SONICWIRE

「音」に関するソフトウェア、プラグイン、素材の総合ダウンロードストア、SONICWIRE

sonicwire.com

Specifications

• The "Attack Speed" parameter is not available.
• Voice Color: Only supports "Accent."
• Vibrato: The "Vibrato" tab under "Note Settings..." is disabled. Manual input via the automation area shown when clicking the "Vibrato" button in the sidebar is also disabled.
• The "Portamento" option under "Note Settings..." is disabled when Automatic Control is turned on.
• An Automatic Update feature is disabled. Update information will be published on the SONICWIRE website and announced on the SONICWIRE blog. Additionally, users who have already installed the Early Access version and subscribed to the newsletter will be notified via email.
• [Added on Oct. 24] Since the parameter responsiveness in "Piapro Studio NT2" is adjusted for better vocal expression, you may not achieve the same results when loading project files from "Piapro Studio NT".

Known Issues

• Manual vibrato cannot be applied from the waveform display section. Workaround: You can manually apply vibrato to any notes by selecting both "vibrato-applied notes" and "non-applied notes" simultaneously, then adjusting the vibrato length from the waveform display section.
• The application crashes when switching a track layer on a full-size piano roll display and then immediately exiting full-size mode after switching layers.
• The application crashes when pitch notes are muted, split, and then unmuted in order.
• The application crashes when unpronounceable elements, such as consonants or typos, are included at the end of a phonetic string.
• (Under investigation) Rendering waveform abnormalities may occur due to consecutive operations. Workaround: Changing and then restoring the note's pitch to trigger re-rendering improves the issue.
• The plugin may fail to launch in Digital Performer.
• [Added on Nov. 5] In certain arrangements, editing or reloading after saving may cause issues with the consonant length of the note following an "ん (n)" note.
• [Added on Nov. 20] Changing a vowel note with pitch written to a consonant note and then splitting the note causes a crash.
• [Added on Nov. 20] The VST plugin version's window sometimes fails to open.

Resolved Issues
- [Resolved on v0.9.2.0] VoiceDrive turns off on the duplicated track when duplicating a track.
- [Resolved on v0.9.2.0] The application freezes when pitch notes are moved to a fast-tempo range, and undo or moving them back to a slow range is performed.
- [Resolved on v0.9.2.0] When both the previous "Piapro Studio NT" and the Early Access version "Piapro Studio NT2" are open simultaneously in a DAW project, saving the DAW project may result in "Piapro Studio NT2" not launching the next time the project is opened.
- [Resolved on v0.9.2.0] When "Apply to Consonant Length" in the Automatic Control settings is enabled, entering "sil," "asp," or "br" between closely positioned notes to break automatic connections may cause the application to crash.
- [Resolved on v0.9.2.0] After loading MIDI with tempo information, the tempo becomes unselectable for range selection or deletion with the eraser tool.

Piapro Studio NT2 version 0.9.2.0 release notes:

[Additions and Changes]

• The synthesis speed has been improved by approximately 2x.
• Automatic update functionality has been added.
  *Note 1: Please read the notes before applying the update.

[Resolved Known Issues]

• Issue where the Voice Drive would turn off in the duplicated track when duplicating a track.
• Issue where saving a DAW project with both the previous “Piapro Studio NT” and the Early Access “Piapro Studio NT2” running simultaneously would cause either “Piapro Studio NT2” or “Piapro Studio NT” to fail to launch upon reopening the project.
• Issue where the tempo could not be selected for range selection or deleted using the eraser tool, after loading a MIDI file with tempo information.
• Issue where moving notes with manually adjusted pitch to a “fast-tempo range”, then undoing or moving them back to a “slow-tempo range”, would cause the application to freeze.
• Issue where entering sil / asp / br between closely positioned notes to break automatic connections while “Automatic Consonant Length Adjustment” was enabled in Automatic Control would cause a crash (Temporary Fix).
  *Note 2: Please read the notes before applying the update.

[Other Resolved Issues]

■ Display Issues

• Issue where reordering multiple selected automation tracks causes display irregularities.
• Issue where moving audio regions in a “not found” state causes display irregularities.
• On macOS only: Issue where certain characters entered in the file name text box of the audio export window were not visible unless the text box was actively selected.

■ Operational Issues

• Issue where canceling “Apply to Consonant Length” in “Auto Ctrl” after enabling it for notes with manually adjusted consonant lengths would fail to revert the length.
  *Note 3: Please read the notes before applying the update.
• Issue where manually adjusting consonant lengths in the piano roll would not deselect “Apply to Consonant Length” automatically in “Auto Ctrl.”
• Issue where only notes of the same pitch could not be range-selected under certain zoom levels.
• Issue where vibrato applied via Automatic Control differed slightly between Windows and macOS.
  *Note 4: Please read the notes before applying the update.
• Issue where directly editing consonant lengths in the piano roll of songs with tempo changes resulted in unintended changes.
• Issue where opening the “Export Audio Files” window after writing automation causes all checkboxes under “Tracks to be Exported:” to be deselected.

[Notes]

• *Note 1
  Due to GarageBand’s specifications, it has been confirmed that enabling the automatic update feature while running “Piapro Studio NT2” as a plugin causes GarageBand to crash. To avoid this, the automatic update feature is disabled when using GarageBand.
  [Update Methods for GarageBand Users]
  If you use GarageBand, please update using one of the following methods:
  
  1. Download the latest version from the SONICWIRE Support Page.
  2. Launch the standalone version of Piapro Studio NT2, check for updates, and use the automatic update feature from the standalone version.
  
  
• *Note 2
  Temporary measures have been implemented for this issue, but new issues have arisen as a result:
  – If sil or asp is inserted between closely positioned notes, and there is an adjacent phrase before them, the pitch line may disappear and the pitch may display incorrectly.
  – If a very short br is inserted between closely positioned notes, the pitch line before and after the br may display incorrectly, potentially leading to crashes with further edits.
  These issues have newly emerged.
  
  [Workarounds]
  To avoid these issues, we recommend the following steps:
  
  1. For configurations where the red pitch line disappears due to sil or asp positioned near adjacent notes:
  → Turn off the snap feature, and adjust the note length to create a slight gap between the sil/asp note and the adjacent note.
  
  2. For configurations where the pitch line displays incorrectly due to a very short br:
  → Delete the short br note to prevent crashes from subsequent operations.
  
  
• *Note 3
  As part of this fix, the issue where “Apply to Consonant Length” in “Auto Ctrl” would not deselect after manual adjustments on the piano roll has also been resolved. Consequently, when opening projects created with version 0.9.1.0 in the updated Piapro Studio NT2, notes with “Apply to Consonant Length” enabled may have their consonant lengths re-estimated and automatically replaced.
  [Workaround]
  If you have ongoing projects, please refrain from applying the update until your work is complete. If you must update “Piapro Studio NT2”, we recommend performing the following steps before updating to preserve the consonant lengths in your existing .ppsf song files:
  1. Select notes with manually adjusted consonant lengths (be sure to select only the affected notes and not all notes).
  2. Open “Note Settings… > Auto Ctrl” and set “Apply to Consonant Length” to OFF.
  3. Save the project.
  4. Apply the Piapro Studio NT2 update.
  
  
• *Note 4
  As part of this fix, vibrato settings in .ppsf song files created with the previous version may change slightly when opened in the updated Piapro Studio NT2. To reproduce the previous vibrato settings, manual adjustments may be required. If you have ongoing projects, please consider postponing the update until your work is complete.

The development team will continue to provide updates, add features, and make improvements.
Thank you for your continued support.

We have released the Piapro Studio NT2 0.9.2.0 updater. | Piapro Studio Official Website

piaprostudio.com

 

[MagicalMiku]

Known Issues
- [Added on Nov. 22] Loading a project file with an audio file and VoiceDrive turned ON in Piapro Studio NT2 v.0.9.2.0, and then overwriting the project file, results in .ppsf file corruption, making content recovery impossible. (Click here to see workarounds)

Workarounds:
When opening a project file saved with an audio file and VoiceDrive turned ON, the pitch line may disappear.
If you overwrite the project file in this state, it may become corrupted and unrecoverable.
Please use the following workaround steps until the next update is released.
Note: If time allows, we recommend waiting for the update to be distributed.

[Workaround 1: Avoid Using Audio Tracks]
- Delete all audio tracks.
- Delete NT tracks one by one from the top and undo repeatedly to ensure that the pitch lines are displayed on all tracks.
- Confirm that no audio tracks remain.
- Play back the project and verify that all NT tracks produce sound correctly.
- Save the project under a new name and avoid adding audio tracks thereafter.

[Workaround 2: Avoid Using VoiceDrive]
- Delete NT tracks one by one from the top and undo repeatedly to ensure that the pitch lines are displayed on all tracks.
- If there are tracks with VoiceDrive ON (blue light), turn them OFF (light off).
- For safety, delete all audio tracks.
- Play back the project and verify that all NT tracks produce sound correctly.
- Save the project under a new name and ensure that VoiceDrive remains OFF thereafter.
- On the newly saved .ppsf file, reload the audio files as needed.

 

[InstallGentoo]

also, on December 15th there will be Open Campus of japanese iUniversity in Sumida-ku, Tokyo [Special program just before winter break!] Learn from "Hatsune Miku NT"!


[Special Program] Learn from "Hatsune Miku NT"! The shortest route to success in the music industry: 10:50-11:50
Special lecturer
Mr. Kiyodo Koizumi

The program was insightful. Thank you hosts.

 

[MagicalMiku]

some nice photos of Sonicwire booth at Project Sekai 4th Live Unison event(●'◡'●)

and..and..!!
Piapro Studio NT2 0.9.2.2 update available! here's the changelog:

We have released the Piapro Studio NT2 0.9.2.2 updater. | Piapro Studio Official Website

piaprostudio.com

We have just released the Piapro Studio NT2 Version 0.9.2.2 updater.
This update includes the following feature fixes.

[Resolved Known Issues]
- Issue where changing a vowel note with pitch written to a consonant note and then splitting the note causes a crash.
- Issue where loading a project file with an audio file and VoiceDrive turned ON in Piapro Studio NT2 v.0.9.2.0, and then overwriting the project file, results in .ppsf file corruption, making content recovery impossible.

[Other Resolved Issues]
- Issue where performing an Undo operation after cutting a region and then cutting the region again may cause a crash.

<How to Apply This Update>
Please download and run the updater from the following support page, or perform the update from the [Help] > [Check For Updates…] menu on Piapro Studio NT2 (v0.9.2.0 or later).