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SynthV Synthesizer V Discussion Thread
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I'm not mad about a new engine, any more so than I was every time I had to go buy V3, then V4, then V5 -- although I have yet to cave and get V6. It just better be that SV1(?) banks are compatible with SV2, or I'll be upset lol. Especially since there are a number of unreleased banks still, from Haiyi's preorders that just opened, to the Miki and Kiyoteru releases. I guess these could all secretly be SV2 banks, but more likely they will be compatible. I doubt it will be such a huge change in synthesis that you can't port the banks, like V1->V2 was
So all in all, it's exciting! Worrying for the wallet maybe, but exciting! I wonder if they will bring back glottal stops, put in accents, things like that. Many potential options
So all in all, it's exciting! Worrying for the wallet maybe, but exciting! I wonder if they will bring back glottal stops, put in accents, things like that. Many potential options
I think it's a good idea to release a new standalone version if they're doing a big GUI overhall - being forced to use a new UI is annoying if you're someone who likes and is used to the original, so it's nice to have it be an optional upgrade.
This upgrade will be worth it entirely if they make it easier to zoom in and out on the piano roll that is all I need to make it worthwhile ;-;
This so much! One thing I disliked about the old SynthV is that some updates majorly changed things. SynthV Studio 1 in 2024 is radically different from SynthV Studio 1 in 2021, but now that they're making SynthV 2, SynthV 1 will be the same in 2027 as it is in 2025.
one feature that could be interesting and unique would be an ability to use a group of voicebanks as a choir.
And it could use AI for a natural choir result
And it could use AI for a natural choir result
True, but the idea is that if they implement a choir feature, do you think it would function like the Zola unison plugin since it allows you to tune all 3 vocals at once so they sing the same in unison?
Actually now that I think about, harmonizing is also a huge part of choir, so it implementing such a feature would probably be different.
Actually now that I think about, harmonizing is also a huge part of choir, so it implementing such a feature would probably be different.
Glorious, the ending theme for the latest Honkai Star Rail HoyoFair, uses Felicia. Creuzer did the tuning.
Kafu's SynthV version has been officially cancelled; it's a relief to get solid confirmation at this point.
Didn't take long for one of my predictions this year to come true lol.
But seriously, I'll stand by the opinion that if they really wanted to port Kafu, she should have have been ported to V6. I guess at this point, she's more likely to be upgraded to VoiSona.
I would have loved for them to have figured out a way to get the result that Kaf wanted for KAFU on Synth V (I’m getting tired of the hyper realistic Synth Vs and think someone needs to try pushing the engine in other directions). If Kaf isn’t comfortable with the direction that they were going then cancelling it is fine by me.
Voisona is too realistic at this point. I don't think she will get any update.
I don't think it'll be an issue to update Kafu to 2.0 on Voisona. Remember the voice poll fiasco before Cevio Kafu was even released? Type-A won in a landslide but it sounded basically like Kaf which is why she chosed Type-B at the end that turned into Kafu's signature sound. Techno speech can just manipulate the samples again if necessary to make Kafu 2.0 not sound like Kaf
I hope she gets a V6..probably the only VSynth aside from Cevio KAF would be comfortable with probably
the whole kafu fiascos confused me tbh not her choices I respect them fully but who’s idea was it to make the voicebank in the first place I’m leaning heavily towards it being her management teams decision based on her reluctance but it is so weird to me to see this happen so often
I think the ultimate resolution of this saga is very telling with regard to the SynthesizerV engine itself and Dreamtonics' goals with it as a product.
First of all, to me it's very clear that the goal for KAFU 'The Right Stuff' was far beyond a port and that the intent was to push the envelope and do something new. The 'Right Stuff' demo was so impressive because it was so truly emblematic of KAF's singing style and had a distinct sound. I know there are varying perspectives on this, but to me (and throughout perspectives I've observed thru both EN and international communities) SynthesizerV absolutely has a characteristic sound throughout most of its libraries, and the demo was a marked departure from that. Maybe it was just excellent turning or a really good mix, or just how unique KAF's voice is to begin with, but either way, it set a very high expectation.
Piedpiper's post on the matter is the most revealing IMO: "[Synthesizer V's technology] was so amazing that we couldn't launch this time".
SynthesizerV's triumph is the ability for anyone, at any level of skillset, to generate high quality-sounding voices with the product. "Plug and play" covers have always been a source of some discontent within this community, but it's certainly reached a new audience. It must be restated that the reason KAF gave for postponing the product the first time was the public reaction of its similarity to her voice (a repeat of the first time with the CeVIO release). And now after a year of postponement to determine whether or not something could be done to separate KAFU 'Right Stuff' from KAF to an extent that would be acceptable to all parties, nothing has resolved.
I think Dreamtonics wants to preserve their technology's capability of being an intuitive and realistic synthesizer first and foremost. It's pure speculation, but it's likely that a highly experimental product with experimental training data would have sacrificed on quality that Dreamtonics likely needs to maintain to direct public perception of the product. And on the other side of the same coin, we have KAF, who is a vocaloid fan but has clearly created a boundary for how she wants the technology using her voice to be interpreted by users. I would also like to see experimental voices. I think we have stylized and voice acted voices, but nothing experimental. I'm just not sure in who's corporate interest it is to support such a project on a commercial engine.
IMO it will be a long time before we see anything new with KAFU software-wise, if ever, but there is a whole world of extremely talented artists signed to KAMITSUBAKI and the other 4 under VWP are very talented as well, some of which are mega-otaku (looking at isekaijouchou) who might have a different perspective on the internet's tendency to remix, remake, modify, parody, and reinterpret to any extent possible. So the promise to continue the "musical isotopes" could resolve something interesting.
In the end the fan perspective seems to have become one where the incidental creative direction of the "isotopes" as separate voices/characters than their VPs has really taken root, so I think it's worked out for everyone in the end that it happened this way (other than KAMITSUBAKI with money in the hole on development, but who have done the right thing with regard to this product from the beginning.)
KAFU quickly became one of my favorite voices ever so I'm sad that she's not getting a new coat of paint and a new tool to play with, but also fascinated that it has become the first public touchstone for how this technology interacts with the people it directly impacts.
First of all, to me it's very clear that the goal for KAFU 'The Right Stuff' was far beyond a port and that the intent was to push the envelope and do something new. The 'Right Stuff' demo was so impressive because it was so truly emblematic of KAF's singing style and had a distinct sound. I know there are varying perspectives on this, but to me (and throughout perspectives I've observed thru both EN and international communities) SynthesizerV absolutely has a characteristic sound throughout most of its libraries, and the demo was a marked departure from that. Maybe it was just excellent turning or a really good mix, or just how unique KAF's voice is to begin with, but either way, it set a very high expectation.
Piedpiper's post on the matter is the most revealing IMO: "[Synthesizer V's technology] was so amazing that we couldn't launch this time".
SynthesizerV's triumph is the ability for anyone, at any level of skillset, to generate high quality-sounding voices with the product. "Plug and play" covers have always been a source of some discontent within this community, but it's certainly reached a new audience. It must be restated that the reason KAF gave for postponing the product the first time was the public reaction of its similarity to her voice (a repeat of the first time with the CeVIO release). And now after a year of postponement to determine whether or not something could be done to separate KAFU 'Right Stuff' from KAF to an extent that would be acceptable to all parties, nothing has resolved.
I think Dreamtonics wants to preserve their technology's capability of being an intuitive and realistic synthesizer first and foremost. It's pure speculation, but it's likely that a highly experimental product with experimental training data would have sacrificed on quality that Dreamtonics likely needs to maintain to direct public perception of the product. And on the other side of the same coin, we have KAF, who is a vocaloid fan but has clearly created a boundary for how she wants the technology using her voice to be interpreted by users. I would also like to see experimental voices. I think we have stylized and voice acted voices, but nothing experimental. I'm just not sure in who's corporate interest it is to support such a project on a commercial engine.
IMO it will be a long time before we see anything new with KAFU software-wise, if ever, but there is a whole world of extremely talented artists signed to KAMITSUBAKI and the other 4 under VWP are very talented as well, some of which are mega-otaku (looking at isekaijouchou) who might have a different perspective on the internet's tendency to remix, remake, modify, parody, and reinterpret to any extent possible. So the promise to continue the "musical isotopes" could resolve something interesting.
In the end the fan perspective seems to have become one where the incidental creative direction of the "isotopes" as separate voices/characters than their VPs has really taken root, so I think it's worked out for everyone in the end that it happened this way (other than KAMITSUBAKI with money in the hole on development, but who have done the right thing with regard to this product from the beginning.)
KAFU quickly became one of my favorite voices ever so I'm sad that she's not getting a new coat of paint and a new tool to play with, but also fascinated that it has become the first public touchstone for how this technology interacts with the people it directly impacts.
Thought this would be relevant to the thread - Eclipsed Sounds will be dropping their next project soon:
Since they were the company that dropped the first spanish voice i wonder if they'd be dropping a french voice since it's been confirmed french is in development for synthv