I’m getting a bit tired of ai vbs. I feel like ai vbs tend to sound a bit more similar to each other than sample based vbs, and I just like the sound that sample based vbs produce. But maybe it’s just my subjective opinion
That's what I also didn't like, I agree, there was valid criticism but so often it was also hard to engage with it due to it being often stated in bad faith, with no desire for improvement, but to see the thing you don't prefer die and crumble, like for example, there was no reason to be mean about the nana contest, Yamaha giving fans opportunity to voice a vocaloid is probably the most doujiny thing they've done in long time and definitely step in the right direction, it's fun and engaging, I see it as nothing but a positive thing, there was no reason to be mean and nitpicky, yet people were... I understand being saddened that it was targeted at the japanese crowd exclusively but I imagine it'd complicate things and it was easier to realize this way, beside half the people didn't realize it was targeting the eng community.I think to add onto this discussion we could also address how people have it in the heads nowdays that in order to praise something you have to tear down another thing. Case in point vocaloid is dying, Synthv is so much better than vocaloid etc… they never provide a reason aside from it’s just better like? We can awknowledge the positives of them both at once and state the specific reasons why you prefer one over the other rather than it’s just better the other is trash etc… would also help people make a decision if they are new to the community on what to start with or if the other editor may be worth looking into if they learned that for example Synthv offers tuning on the notes or vocaloid has a massive library of voicebanks to choose from and handles character voices better
I don't get it either, even with that context, but also, I don't have the same history with those characters like the chinese community does so it's fine for me to not understand.2. I think this one only counts as an unpopular opinion in the Chinese vocaloid fandom, but I cannot understand for the life of my what the heckie the Chinese fandom's problem was with Vsinger V5 designs. Like I read a twitter thread once about how vocaloids in China are much more like virtual idols with established identities as opposed to the mostly blank states with the author of the thread suggesting that might be a factor, but even from that perspective I don't get it. Like what was it about these designs that made the characters feel so radically different it deviated from their established identity? Like... It's just them but in slightly different clothes... I don't get it...
Tbf that's not the original design they debuted at first. The original designs for the Vsinger V5 voices were just really casual, too casual.Pardon me for derailing the topic, but since v-synth character designs came up I just wanted to say two things:
1. Miku V4x is cute the people who don't like it are just mean
2. I think this one only counts as an unpopular opinion in the Chinese vocaloid fandom, but I cannot understand for the life of my what the heckie the Chinese fandom's problem was with Vsinger V5 designs. Like I read a twitter thread once about how vocaloids in China are much more like virtual idols with established identities as opposed to the mostly blank states with the author of the thread suggesting that might be a factor, but even from that perspective I don't get it. Like what was it about these designs that made the characters feel so radically different it deviated from their established identity? Like... It's just them but in slightly different clothes... I don't get it...
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Like... this looks cute???? What is wrong with it?
I was telling myself the same thing, people portraying Miku as bitter over other synths is kinda funny to me, as if Miku wasn't and isn't the one holding the monopoly over all other voicebanks, even Kafu, who's the 2nd most popular synth after her, doesn't get even half the amount of content made featuring her as Miku ( saying it figuratively but wouldn't be surprised if it were statistically true too ), I find that us, overseas fans greatly underestimate Miku's impact.While on the topic of that, I can't stand how people are saying that Miku is becoming irrelevant due not having an AI
Who's the one still getting video games, merch, and concerts? Still a virtual celebrity? Miku's not going anywhere.
Besides, you hear any vbs newer than V4 in that song for the new Guardians of the Galaxy? It's very likely the V4 editor was used, even moreso if Piko was really among those voices.
I also dislike that Talkloids are portraying Miku as bitter over everyone getting AI vbs. I'd like to see a take that she's not pursuing an AI voicebank, she's sticking it to the man and staying a robot.
I don't know anything about the artist, I just don't really like the style at all. AVANNA's also known for Porter Robinson though so there's that as a more positive association for me.I've seen many Vocaloid fans disliking Yameii and they had really valid reasons to. Like I did saw accusations of OSEAN being a weirdo and it's okay not to like the concept. Personally I like characters like Yameii, Perty (similar but more hyperpop rap and Cyber Diva is used) etc. simply because it's a creative way to use the loids
Yeah, I see it that way too. I don't see her feeling the need for an AI VB at all really. Teto's AI sounds just like her (usually; a couple of her Vocal Modes seem to stray from the classic tone some), but I think that's partly because her voice provider can actually sing in her Teto voice; I've heard Saki Fujita's Miku voice is such a unique timbre for her that she can't sing in it very well. SVC like the unreleased Cherry Pie could work, but making Miku AI work for SVS might take more work than it's worth.While on the topic of that, I can't stand how people are saying that Miku is becoming irrelevant due not having an AI
Who's the one still getting video games, merch, and concerts? Still a virtual celebrity? Miku's not going anywhere.
Besides, you hear any vbs newer than V4 in that song for the new Guardians of the Galaxy? It's very likely the V4 editor was used, even moreso if Piko was really among those voices.
I also dislike that Talkloids are portraying Miku as bitter over everyone getting AI vbs. I'd like to see a take that she's not pursuing an AI voicebank, she's sticking it to the man and staying a robot.
Yeah. SynthV Standard voices are often clear but many of them are muddy, with wonky pronunciation (especially in English) and an odd "beep-y" undertone. I much prefer the sound of Vocaloids when it comes to standard synthesis myself. SynthV AI sounds GREAT though. I think the introduction of AI VASTLY improved SynthV's sound.I think SynthesizerV might just not be the best platform for "standard" VBs at this point in time-- and to be honest, it never really was. It was kind of different back in the early days when the distinction to std/ai didn't exist yet or was new to the engine, and people were really thinking about the potential of QOL and feature additions for STD specifically and that contributed to the excitement, but what focus that remained in that area is not there anymore. At least for Japanese, and with only the resulting sound in mind, STD Synthesizer V was still kind of struggling in quite a few areas despite its good additions.
It'd be cool to see voices exist simultaneously across multiple engines, but commercially VOCALOID is really far and away still the very best possible option for "standard" synthesis, and who knows what "making a voicebank for VOCALOID" looks like now. The nana AI VB still isn't out, Po-uta was Yamaha... the only third party is AI Megpoid. Maybe the licensing is just still expensive?
That's true. Would've been nice for the concatenative VBs to have something stand-out, y'know? I feel like for concatenative synthesis SynthV R1 was more funimo SVS is pretty weak engine in terms of concatenative synthesis but I would have still loved for that to have been pushed to the extreme:
Considering 3 of the standard vbs on the engine are literal UTAU ports, I'm pretty certain that the standard vbs are basically CVVC UTAUs in practiceabout Renri...she's VCV but you can oto CVVC aliases for VCVs) and getting just plain 4 pitch CVVC vb in the most vanilla form...isn't super exciting, it would've been really exciting for them to do multi-append vb, integration of such vb would've been especially smooth considering the engine has it's own equivalent of suffix broker = expression group.
Concatenative synthesis went really unrealized on the engine
I've always agreed with the sentiment, but I could never put my finger on it, the most stand-out standard vbs do after all come from R1, majority of which were chinese, and to my ( untrained ) ear chinese concatenative synthesis "felt" the best to me on SynthV.I feel like for concatenative synthesis SynthV R1 was more fun
Oh yeah! I remember Japanese DVs sounding weirdly robotic, almost reminiscent of old vocal synths, while Chinese DVs have sounded smooth from what I've heard (I've never used one though due to not speaking Chinese nor knowing a plethora of good Chinese songs).I've always agreed with the sentiment, but I could never put my finger on it, the most stand-out standard vbs do after all come from R1, majority of which were chinese, and to my ( untrained ) ear chinese concatenative synthesis "felt" the best to me on SynthV.
Kinda like how DV is optimized for chinese and chinese synths have historically performed the best on it while japanese always felt off to me, and that's a feeling I share about standard SynthVs too. Like as an example, as unique as Genbu's tone is...he's super wonky on the engine and I do find GAO superior to him.
It's hard for me to speak on english, it's hard to make assessments when there are only two standard engloids.
I don't speak japanese or chinese so I'm purely talking out of my ass, don't put too much weight behind my words.