Cevio already had vbs with emotions since Sekai lol. So far Sekai, Tsudumi and Coko have emotion parameters
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really? that's a super cool feature, is it sort of like cevio's version of vocal modes?
if you're talking about the vocaloid version of piapro, its "xsy-like feature" IS xsy, lol
if you're talking about nt, then i guess you'd be talking about voice voltage?
If they could leave the choice to use attack/release or XSY-like (kinda like in piapro having an option close to XSY) then it would appeal to both users and not let voicebanks package like Gumi's big V4 set or Arsloid in the dust (even if we're thankfully still having piapro and thus this xsy-like function)
Edit : Yeah, seems to be kinda like modes from the few I've seen people doing with them
Edit : Yeah, seems to be kinda like modes from the few I've seen people doing with them
Well kind of but not really? Dynamics are like cevio’s vocal modes (but they really r just forte and piano at different measures), and the emotion parameter is like a vocal mode that changes not only how the basic dynamic of The bank sounds, but also how all other dynamics sound too
Wait, so V6 only has pitch & dynamics params? Am I understanding this right?
(Sorry, I haven't kept up with V6. I dabble with V5 every once in awhile, but use Piapro for basically everything.)
Standard banks have the usual stuff from V5, AI banks only have pitch and dynamics. (Source: Used V6 trial)
That's not completely correct. Yes, V6 AI vbs only have pitch and dynamics as parameters you can edit with a continous line(so either with the pencil or line tool), but they also include other parameters you edit directly on the notes and that previous Vocaloids do not have. Most of them are related to pitch inflection and vibrato, but there are also more interesting ones, such as "expression", which acts as a tension parameter of sort (but WAY more effective in my opinion, it can completely turn a soft voice into a powerful belting one and vice versa), and which can be edited with three control points (for attack, "body" and release of the note) and "timing", which gives you complete control on the individual stress and duration of each phoneme.
Not to mention that if you buy a V6 from Internet Co. you also get vsts that replace gender factor, air and opening and even xsy, so the argument that v6 lacks parameters is not completely true, it has them, but they're different from what we're tipically used to.
I was thinking that, though I don't own V6. So while I don't know how it works out in practice, I do like the idea of settings on discrete notes instead of having to fiddle with continuous curves. (I much prefer working with V4 params like DYN and OPE that are just a slider on a note instead of a continuous curve.)
I seem to recall that even V5 added things like note attack settings (I remember seeing enka style demoed) that effectively automated things you otherwise had to do a lot of manual work to figure out with pitch bends and whatever.
New teaser dropped! Still nothing specified tho
Based on that tagline in the video they definitely sound confident at least XP Guess we'll see... actually isn't that in like nine hours? Yay not a long wait at least! 
The edgy marketing... could this finally be it? Are they finally targeting the hobby market themselves? Or are they simply going techbro mode? Only time will tell!
Maybe I'm too hyped but I'm rooting for Miku coming back to Vocaloid with an engine designed for her voice to sound like the Miku we all know and love but with the modern AI features Synth V and V6 have.
IDK, Piapro NT hasn't had a bigger updated for a long while now, Yamaha always had that vision of Vocaloid as something that has to sound like a human voice and the message in the... trailer? seems like a new way of thinking not only for them but for the community as a whole... I know it sounds too good to be true but hey, we all thought Gumi AI would never be a thing or it would be a CeVio/Synth V in the best case scenario.
If not idk what you will release the year after Vocaloid 6, but on the other hand making this things are so Yamaha, maybe is just a concept about something that they clearly should had incorporate in V6 (like AI in V5 but wasn't ready and delaying wasn't an option because clearly stupid reasons)
IDK, Piapro NT hasn't had a bigger updated for a long while now, Yamaha always had that vision of Vocaloid as something that has to sound like a human voice and the message in the... trailer? seems like a new way of thinking not only for them but for the community as a whole... I know it sounds too good to be true but hey, we all thought Gumi AI would never be a thing or it would be a CeVio/Synth V in the best case scenario.
If not idk what you will release the year after Vocaloid 6, but on the other hand making this things are so Yamaha, maybe is just a concept about something that they clearly should had incorporate in V6 (like AI in V5 but wasn't ready and delaying wasn't an option because clearly stupid reasons)
with the teaser and the message, I really think it will be sort of a "modular" new version of Vocaloid which allows new features to be tried in advance in a beta program. the "modular" design could allow for the software to be available in different versions, for example a free version, a lite version, a custom version (you choose which modules to buy) or a subscription one. and the beta program could have some levels, for example beta level-1 could be the release candidate for future updates, and a level-3 could be more advanced and unstable features that still need work.
and like I wrote in a previous message, the modular design could allow some features to be used in a future Piapro NT update.. mm.. let's see in some hours..
and like I wrote in a previous message, the modular design could allow some features to be used in a future Piapro NT update.. mm.. let's see in some hours..
so yes, it's an open beta program (limited number based on lottery) and the VX beta will run from August 22 to March 2024, with new features that will be included in the next version (Vocaloid X? Vocaloid 7?)
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Personal speculation but I just really really don't think V7 is coming anytime soon, it will at least take two years (maybe even a bit longer) before we see that engine. I feel like the tested features either are for a.) a major V6 update or b.) they get put in the basement and then only appear years later like Vocaloid:AI for example
Very curious to know what the features of this beta software will be, hoping for some really innovative new ideas!
So like this is geniunely a cool thing for Yamaha to do but I really don't understand why they gotta market it like it was the next Atlus title, what with making a teaser for an announcement. As much as I feel some of the hate on vocatwt is very exaggerated and silly I kinda understand why some of them are dissapointed, they marketed this thing like this was gonna be a whole new software.
I'm not sure I'll do it, but I am curious to see what other people do/share. I wonder if it'll be compatible with banks you've bought only or have some beta banks or anything
I really like that it’ll be a lottery system. It potentially mskes it possible for less popular users to try it out. Now to wait and see if it’ll be open for global users or just residents of Japan.