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I'm gonna be honest, sometimes I feel insecure about using old voicebanks because everyone seems to be moving on to the fancy cutting-edge AI technology and I'm still using concatenative voicebanks from the V3-V4 era (with the exception of maybe Chis-A, who's free anyway). Yes, I can use SynthV Basic, but since that's NG for commercial use I feel like I can't use it to make original songs lest I eventually sell them.

Then again, my idealistic 12-year-old self specifically wanted to be a Vocaloid producer, and the things I experimented with before purchasing Miku, such as UTAU, Sharpkey/Deepvocal, and the free versions of SynthV (R1 evaluation and R2 Basic), and even RenoidPlayer and Sinsy before I even had access to anything more than a Chromebook (I had a PC I could use since before Web SynthV came out), were just to get me ready. Part of me just wants to honor my tween-age wishes, and I'm also super used to Piapro Studio by now.

But at the same time, in both the vocalsynth fandom and music-production communities, people are largely leaving the old stuff behind in favor of AI-powered stuff, especially SynthV at least in the West. Many of my favorite vocalists are getting updates- and for those who likely aren't, fans are screaming for them to, acting like their companies are criminals for not giving them such- and some new vocals are super tempting too, especially if I could potentially use them well in my favorite genres. But I can't afford it right now, and even when I'm set up with a job I can't just go spending all over the place no matter how much people say "you should totally get X Y and Z!"
InstallGentoo
InstallGentoo
Latest I have is Miku NT and piapro studio. Still getting used to piapro but I don't think I'll take the leap unless piapro comes out with Miku AI. Part of me wants to augment Newtype Miku with AI, another part wants me to get good at making vocals using traditional concatenative interfces. I think the biggest limitation I set myself is brand loyalty with cfm and piapro and not nessesarly and aprehension with AI (although another one is lazyness, don't want to plug in .vsqx and fight with the AI changing parameters I rather leave untouched.).
You're not alone, I'm still using the old voice banks and kind of self conious about using stuff people may consider outdated nowadays. I kind of want to make good on the software I have though and not chase after the new shiny fad.
Vector
Vector
I kind of want to see someone use fancy AI voice banks that are trendy and hard-autotune them to make them sound more like older vocaloid versions, just to mess with people.

I definitely do like some things about AI voice banks, but let's not lose sight of the fact that pretty much any vocal synth is a rounding error compared to Miku's popularity, which means the concatenative synthesis sound really isn't going out of style. The majority of listeners aren't huge synth nerds who know how the software works; they're just there for singing robots. There's definitely room for both in the foreseeable future.
MillyAqualine
MillyAqualine
I still use old banks because they keep their specific flavour (though i do agree AI tuning helps a lot but at the same time i feel like i won't make any progress on tuning if i keep doing so) and well some of my faves don't have any update nor planned ones

Moreover it helps you getting creative just like how I loooove to mess with the parameters i've done for TONIO and other V2 'loids (even the V3 though between tiny editor restrictions and the way parameters work in V2 VS V3 and later engine's generations kinda limit it too) and my guilty pleasure is to switch the few tones (trying to... tone it down) and then try to do my best on the tuning part
I think Gakupo should be Weird in a nerdy way, not in a creepy way. Like yes king I WILL listen to your infodumps about Heian period history and the Bushido code
Woaaaah in the beginning I was a bit worried about the very simple setting (though it was more elaborated and livelier than the simple one in the first clip shown on TV) but JESUS, SLIMANE YOU DARED DOING IT THE NOUGARO WAY AND SINGING THE BLASTING BEFORE-END CHORUS AFAR FROM THE MIC LIKE AN OPERA SINGER, RESPECT !!! I got the shivers!!

Edit : Also got slapped a second time, this time by Kaleen
Over the past few years, I have noticed that some companies that produce vocal synthesizers are ambitious and innovative, producing new features that exceed public expectations. Other companies may not produce new and exciting features, but they are committed to updating their current voice banks to keep up with the latest vocal synthesizer technologies. These companies should be supported by all of us.

However, there are certain companies that are currently in their "comfort zone" instead of pushing towards the advancement of vocal synthesizer technologies. Instead of being the actual pioneers with proven results, they cling to nostalgia and release half-baked products. They are delaying important updates that are needed to the current voice bank and giving empty promises to their customers. Meanwhile, they keep squeezing every last drop of "value" from their own characters. It's no wonder that more and more people are becoming dissatisfied with their attitude. Despite the complaints, these companies remain blind to their shortcomings and continue to live in their own fantasy world. Unfortunately, there are still fans who are blind to these issues and continue to blindly support these companies while criticizing those with legitimate concerns.
I know that Circus and Crusher's relationship was toxic, but man did they write some certified bangers together. (listening to reuploads of Wildfire and Crystalline)
gakupo whisper in the high range: a smol boi! soft and fluffy. wants the best for you :)
gakupo whisper in the low range: n̸̨̡̡̧͇͕̥͔̼͕̙̜̉̀̉̋͑̎̃̎̉̎̇͑͜͠͝͝ͅͅe̵͇͍͚̜̔̀̓͑̊̃̀͐̅̊̉͗̋̈́͠ĕ̵̡͎͕̯͔̱̯̥͎̰̺͐͜ͅ ̷̦̦̰̠͍̙̱͕͇͕̫̺̺͇͎̜̋̀̄̐̈́̾͘ͅh̸͓̠̜̳̯̘̿̔̈́̌̀̓̉̂͌̑͒͒͌̚ǫ̶͉̘͆̃́̑͋͒̀̅̕̕͝ͅŕ̴̘̯̦͕̐̓͗͝a̷̩̰͚̭̳̫̞͙̘̖̓͂̀͆͂̂̊̇̋͋͌̏̚
I bought Haruno Sora last night after I remembered she had a lite version and I fell in love all over again ;-; I've been working on this on and off with Feng Yi for a year or so lol and thought Sora would be a good fit! Still have fine tuning to do also Sora has some consistency problems in tone in her higher octaves and it is annoying because it isn't every note just some ;-;

Edit: Uploaded the harmonies not the main vocals rip fixed now
I'd work with NNSVS more if it wasn't such a setup to get it started every time. DiffSinger is more convenient as i don't need to run a "server" to do it, but these free AI synths still take a long time to render anything. I don't have the most high-end hardware, so that's probably my fault.
I don't get how I'm supposed to tell DiffSinger what language it's supposed to sing in. In the end, classic UTAU are still the easiest, but remembering all the unique flags present with all the different resamplers is a chore. I wish OpenUTAU already knew what all the flags were for each one, but that's probably a lot of work.
I know that I should probably be using SynthV lite, but I don't want to work with watered down versions of the Pro voices. This really is an expensive hobby.

By the way, is it really true that Vocaloid2 voices sound different than intended in Vocaloid3/4? That sounds like an issue to me. Do the old V2 voices come with the editor? I would like to someday get Luka V2, but I don't want to risk getting the voice and not the editor to use it in.
Ok, so

I really don't understand people surpricing about good covers or originals done with V1 or V2 engine, they can sound really realistic and capable of many thing, is just different engine with different work systems. Most of the time people had just seen bad covers.
Maribelle
Maribelle
I agree whole heartedly as the biggest Sweet Ann fan on earth I also think for v1 in particular it might be a sample size problem for most of the newer fans who don’t know what or how to search for them? I guess v2 nowadays aswell cause I forget how long it’s been since it’s release
I heard or saw people say about "engine noise" in vocal-synths a lot but do you know how it actually sounds? can you describe how it's sounds like? and is that really a big deal?


I'm curious. . . What's your thoughts?
Maribelle
Maribelle
I don’t have much of a technical opinion on it but I can offer my own experience I am deaf in my right ear with very limited hearing abilities (like none) but with Cevios old engine noise it used to flare my tinnitus terribly for a few days after like around 10 mins of listening to cevio covers where it wasn’t edited out lol, also had the issue less so with every other vocal synth but not as bad e.e I think it’s more so a frequencies thing for me? Like I can’t recall anything aside from a metallic twang in my good ear but my bad one tries to shut down :x
IO+
IO+
It's not far off from what i expected. Seem like our problem is more or less the same.

Any vocal-synths have some glitch/artifact into it(AI singer have this problem too) like crack, pop, click, buzzing, metallic sounds, it's quite a complicate topic to talk because every voicebanks are different, some voicebanks are prone to such problems like Luka for an example, meanwhile some voicebanks that i know and used like Miku, IA, VY1 are pretty much glitch free.

In my experience most of these engine noise problems can be easily fix without tools, you can trim it or cut it in any DAW but some problems is very difficult or next to impossible to fix because these artifact sound already inside the material.

Keep in mind that these problem just simply disappeared when listening in context of the song. Well. . . most most of the time.
IO+
IO+
I don’t have much of a technical opinion on it but I can offer my own experience I am deaf in my right ear with very limited hearing abilities (like none) but with Cevios old engine noise it used to flare my tinnitus terribly for a few days after like around 10 mins of listening to cevio covers where it wasn’t edited out lol, also had the issue less so with every other vocal synth but not as bad e.e I think it’s more so a frequencies thing for me? Like I can’t recall anything aside from a metallic twang in my good ear but my bad one tries to shut down :x
I understand your feeling. The untreated sound in some vbs can be painful to listen too due to excessive fundamental tone or excessive sizzling sounds, very tiring to listen, these can easily trigger tinnitus. I'm prone to 600hz to 2khz these frequency sound offended to me.