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morrysillusion
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  • im listening to those new miku demos and it does feel like an improvement from before but something still sounds...off. i mean putting aside the fuzzy engine noise (which did improve) theres something that sounds weird to me like.... is it the note transitions? consonants? i cant put my finger on it or find the right word. i know its not tuned (?) but that doesnt mean untuned demos are immune to pointing out possible flaws... if anything it gives us an idea of what flaws there are.

    i think tonally its sounding a bit better, like in terms of the general miku sound. but its lacking some quality checks in some areas tbh.
    nalondollie
    nalondollie
    I feel like I noticed the same thing. It's sorta like she's...quacking? idk

    like that weird jump between notes, especially if there's a lot of different sounds in succession of each other. It's def an improvement which makes me more positive about future improvements tho
    peaches2217
    peaches2217
    Honestly, I think it's just the songs they chose. They... they really don't make great demo songs. They're good songs on their own, but not ideal for showing off a new piece of software.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @peaches2217 its true, those songs are a bit intense mostly for untuned vocals, but it still has me wondering overall if thatll stay the same way... i wish the demos could display all ranges of the voice as it is right now tho, as it would help to know if its just those song or not.
    criteria to be a female vocaloid design:
    - your feet have to be pointing in, or your legs are so close together its unrealistic to even stand like that
    - you're somehow floating in mid air for your pose
    - one hand is held close to your face while the other is held out, for no real reason
    - if you need to be read as playful, kick one leg out behind you!
    - if you dont fit one of those, at the very least, lean on one hip pointed out. vaguely sexy femininity!
    this isnt relevant to the UO thread but i cant shut up about design/composition/flow and miku's art. so heres some more analysis


    i'd say miku's hair is a very important part of her design, so showing is well impacts the overall design. and dont get me wrong, i love miku NT's design a lot! and i also like ixima's art! but i think nt's art falls flat in a few ways due to the above. honestly all of miku's poses kinda fall flat after a while... its either "bend her spine and make her float!" or "um she's standing and her hair is being blown around in a perfect curve!" there sooo many other neutral, cute poses i could think of that i would love to see rather than just. Standing with her arms waving around.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @lIlI oh yes i definitely dont doubt the connection between simple, cute, beauty and the way miku (and many other female anime characters) are posed... i noticed on miku, the feet pointing inward on every single one, and most certainly other designs too. its a shame its no doubt a wider problem than just miku, because its unlikely any of the above will ever change lest people stop sticking to strict feminine ideals. even with some vocaloid designs who's feet dont happen to point inward (ex. v3 flower), their legs are often soooo close together, creating a very delicate, feminine pose. its so often no personality being shown, just simple and feminine by streotypical societal standards.

    its so painful because i just went to the "female voice" category of a vocaloid wiki to take a look and like, click on literally any of them and you get two options: 1) legs pressed together real close with feet inwards or 2) legs close together but one is kicked outward, because shes playful!
    lmao, thats it! no doubt i even take this stuff into mind when drawing cute/soft/feminine characters, often doing the inward pointed feet or close legs... but god, its all you get with female anime designs, its annoying.
    lIlI
    lIlI
    Frankly what I want to see is a female vocal synth doing the Slav squat, to counterbalance it :fukase_lili:
    Jisenku
    Jisenku
    The Miku V3 English Design scared me to death when I was 12
    oh i just heard that the article the emvoice creator wrote where he shat on vocaloid has been taken down :^) how funny. sadly it seems it wasnt backed up anywhere like way back.... heres the url, but i wish i could find it saved somewhere
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @BlueJ oh yeah, no problem lol. the exact link wasnt saved but there is SO much on Medium im not sure how to navigate its loads of articles to possibly even find a hint of it somewhere.
    Blue Of Mind
    Blue Of Mind
    Damn, did nobody quote it on the EmVoice thread? If I'd had known in the future it would disappear, I would have saved it in some way lol.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Blue Of Mind i know some folk definitely talked about it (it was linked in the emvoice thread) and some people on twitter linked it and spoke of it, but sadly it seems no one took screenshots or quoted/copied it anywhere :/ im glad the site says the author deleted it himself, but thats all we got now aside from tweets and forum talk discussing it!
    i guess i still am on the Emvoice email list cuz i just got an email and i guess their male voice is out now, also for demo
    and goddamn, theyre STILL trying to sell them individually for $200. imagine being so warped u think both of these voices are separately worth that fucking much lmao. embarrassing.
    Prism
    Prism
    Oh I think you missed understood what I was saying. Was trying to say I it looks bad when you can get avanna for $50. But I think when you compare it to vsts and other virtual instruments it makes sense.

    Something like realivox blue that's $150
    Shevannai Voice of Elves that's also around $150
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Prism i can see what youre saying totally, but it still doesnt make it right or understandable when every other vocal synth out there has a price that is better anyways. of course lotsof VSTs are expensive, many going beyong $300 even. just because it can be $200, doesnt mean it should be. mostly when it comes down to quality and missing tools.
    Stardust
    Stardust
    @patuk @morrysillusion I think there must have been a price drop like Morry mentioned, because now she is only 109$ for me on the store. I remember looking at her earlier this year and seeing 190$, so something must have happened.
    its nice to be able to see a bit more about Cevio AI now, tho i guess my general issue w cevio still exists- it just sounds so like...fuzzy. that cevio engine noise still seems to be blatantly obvious. i could hear that in Kaf but wasnt sure if it was just mixing or quality issues. though some of the examples in their video kinda... flucuated? a bit? maybe theyre all in different stages of development, idk. or maybe im just being weird lol. so heres to hoping some of that is subject to change my final release. tho i cant expect too much to be wildly different, kinda like the way Miku NT has been sounding ya know. the engine to some extent is set in stone and whatever method is being used seems to lean on that soft/fuzzy sound. though out of all engines ive heard that are in that category, Synth V seems to have improved the most imo
    HEY so i know i said i was disappearing but i need quick vocaloid editor insight because i am having some issues lol. will vocaloid 4 engine be alright if you install it after installing V5 and activating V4 vbs for V5? before having the V4 engine installed or activated?

    thanks in advance, dont ask me what nonsense im doing lmao, ill return if i cant get this sorted out djkhgdkjfg
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    yeah thats sounds right, i knew id need to use the activator that comes with v4. the issue i am having is just with the v4 editor itself and it activating but i was gonna try and uninstall it, yet still install my v4 banks to activate em to use with v5 for now! so it sounds like thatll be fine then.
    Stardust
    Stardust
    Yes it should be fine:flower_smile_lili:The V4 editor is not required for activations. I had several V3s before I got the V3 editor in a bundle and all I needed to use was Activate3 to use them in 5.
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    Yeah should be totally fine. I only have V5 but then got hands on V4 trial and all my V4s worked just fine there.
    well im starting to find myself to frustrated w the way some folk talk around here sometimes so consider me absent for a while so i can become distanced enough to not care/cool down mentally and pace myself with how much i read threads here. its impossible to ever claim any social site wouldnt ever eventually make me feel this way- every place is full of bad apples no matter what. generally tho social sites are always hard to detach from after youve gotten so into reading it so casually so stepping away allows my brain to put away that atachment so i dont fall into loops of reading things that can even be upsetting. this forum isnt as huge of a culprit of this problem as say, reddit or twitter, but still. bye bye for a while
    with the mess that is Kafu's Cevio AI stuff i cannot say it has helped me have confidence in Cevio AI lol.... for one i do think Kafu sounds pretty good when shes pitched down and all but theyve fucked over that quality by pitching her up which is just...so weird. but additionally we know nothing about how Cevio AI works and thats still leaving me exta "eh" about wanting to get it. i love Flower a lot and i look forward to having a new version of her to use...but i have a feeling i could be incredibly dissapointed by whatever it is, since we have gotten pretty much nothing about how any of this works! mostly afraid of the functionality, like what kind of creative freedom the engine will have, considering pretty much all AI synths at the moment give like no options to add your own tuning. thats probably my biggest gripe with AI stuff at the moment.... and even if Flower sounded good there no way in hell imma have any use for a thing that just renders the same kinda voice by the click of a button and thats it.
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    gotcha!
    And I totally get that, just wanted to show engrish is possible..at least w Neutrino. And no worries abt making such statements abt V5 around me :clara_ani_lili: I'm like the local V5 defender and believe it's unfairly over-hated.

    And if the results are any good ( havent heard them in use ) I believe SynthV has automatic tuning option for the commercial releases of their vbs? SynthVs shitick is kinda combining the best of the two worlds so I guess it's kinda telling it's mainly treated as traditional sample based synth hgfd.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @patuk ok thats good to hear, i honestly hold back saying "i like v5" sometimes because i know many ppl just..dont like it haha. honestly i use some of their easy tuning presets myself because hey, sometimes i dont wanna tune stuff all by hand! and i had no idea Synth V was planning a similar thing, in that case im excited to see how that turns out.
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    Tell me about it :clara_ani_lili: and yeah, so often I hear "omg V5 is so unintuitive/non beginner friendly" but I don't think that's the case at all, V5 is a very hard switch to those used to V4 but if you haven't actually used Vocaloid beforehand V5 is miles better to start out with.

    Oh I believe all those features are already implemeted:o but don't know much abt them as I only have the free version.
    i love kaai yuki but i have her v2 box and i kinda wish i just...bought her v4 lol. i like having the physical box n stuff but w all the stuff v3 came with... but i may still at some point get v4 but the level of importance is low, since i like..technically own her ya know. but i am grasping at that v4 clarity....
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    Stardust
    Stardust
    Her V4 is only 60-ish digitally(At least here in the U.S.), so it is not too expensive thankfully.
    morrysillusion
    morrysillusion
    @Stardust oh thats good to know, i thought it was more like $80! ill probably be getting that soon then after i save some of my extra income.
    hm. kinda want to maybe get Gachapoid v3 some day but im a little confused on the best place to buy him as in... the price on the vocaloid site is not the same from Internet's site? unless im just reading wrong or the comversion+tax adds up different...
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    peaches2217
    peaches2217
    Internet semi-regularly has 30% off sales. I’d recommend getting him from there during such a sale! Just let your bank know ahead of time that you’ll be making a purchase from a Japanese website. Mine blocked a purchase I tried making through there because they assumed my card was stolen and being used for illicit purchases.
    retroradiozz
    retroradiozz
    i bought Gumi Eng from the Vocaloid shop last weekend and with the tax it was one dollar less than on Internet’s site

    so i’d check both sites with tax added
    i feel like one of my biggest issues with vocaloid original making is i feel like theres two ways to do it, both ways having very different levels of interest: 1) you make a song with a vocaloid and all art/video content is of that vocaloid in your song or 2) you make a song using vocaloid but all content is about an original character/story

    while i like using vocaloid for original songs because i dont want to sing- i feel like when making my songs i get way too caught up in presentation. will it be more successful if i use the vocaloid as the face for my song? or will people be interested in my original story ideas? in one sense i like the idea of just making music to make music, not attaching any kind of vocaloid character to it bc i dont want ppl's thoughts to be "i like because its a vocaloid song/uses my fave vocaloid". on the same end i dont tend to tie my stories/ocs to my music at all, i do it for fun/as a hobby. but i still dont...want my songs to be attached to vocaloids for the sake of Being Vocaloid Songs. idk. i havent written anything original in a good while, but my last last song DID You was a weird one bc it covered a very personal topic and while i made it purely on that intention and nothing else- using flower as the art in the video flt more like i was reaching to folk who just care about v flower songs, nothing else.

    i guess its more of a personal feeling to have this vibe that everything i present online is being consumed with specific intentions that i wish i could change, lol. just thoughts.
    i really love how Δ tunes flower (and also love the range they put her in).. in general i love seeing ppl use V5 stuff to their advantage. i used it to make flower "soft" before and while its a little weird, it gets the idea across and i love it. i know it can get a but on the side of 'over tuned' to some folk but i appreciate the effort mostly with the number of flower songs where she isnt tuned at all lol.
    another pitch done! managed to have some time for a higher pitch (d4) while i was home alone. i didnt really want to be yelling in a mic while my dad was here.... maybe this is why i never manage to find time to record power pitches lol.
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