I just listened to this and she actually sounds great here? Really sounds close to Kaf too.. She almost sounds like there was never any pitching to begin with..
CeVIO Kafu announced for CeVIO AI (Early 2021)
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her voice is tempting me in the sense that i generally like her tone and that lower pitched stuff, thats not even in engine mind you (and would probably sound better), sounds pretyt nice.. its such a pain! and i cant imagine theyll say "you can pitch her down!!" so i am just mind boggled over why they even did what they did?? idk. just amazes me what they decided to do up until this point. its really not a terrible voice but i think they put their priorities in the wrong place.
I think they are just really afraid of messing with Kaf's iconography and status as a digital figure and artist, and tbh its understandable. Kaf has a super distinct sound to her voice, and she is already a "virtual idol" in her own right. Design wise, KAFU just looks like a recolor of Kaf's already existing model. KAFU in her deeper voice would probably confuse newcomers to Kaf's music. Its so messy, it makes me question what their original intention and vision for KAFU truly was.
If they want KAFU to succeed on her own by making her the new big "Vocaloid" on the block, they need to really make her as appealing as possible, but if she is to be just an extension of Kaf, she really needs something else to distinguish herself from Kaf, because as it is, trying to explain the situation to people who don't know very much about voice synths sounds like it'd be confusing.
Its really also interesting, because in the scope of major voice synth releases, this is the first time ever where one wholly digital figure voices another, and we can now see the issues that would arise in such a case. Celebrity singers in the past like Gackt and Lia never had to worry about these issues because Gakupo and IA were so distinct in both sound and character, and they both had very different fans and demographics that they appealed to. KAFU and Kaf are both on the exact same media platforms, both sound and look extremely similar, and they're both gunning for the same target audience. What can even be done at this point? Can they both achieve and maintain success without hurting each other? idk
If they want KAFU to succeed on her own by making her the new big "Vocaloid" on the block, they need to really make her as appealing as possible, but if she is to be just an extension of Kaf, she really needs something else to distinguish herself from Kaf, because as it is, trying to explain the situation to people who don't know very much about voice synths sounds like it'd be confusing.
Its really also interesting, because in the scope of major voice synth releases, this is the first time ever where one wholly digital figure voices another, and we can now see the issues that would arise in such a case. Celebrity singers in the past like Gackt and Lia never had to worry about these issues because Gakupo and IA were so distinct in both sound and character, and they both had very different fans and demographics that they appealed to. KAFU and Kaf are both on the exact same media platforms, both sound and look extremely similar, and they're both gunning for the same target audience. What can even be done at this point? Can they both achieve and maintain success without hurting each other? idk
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I really enjoy her voice type when it's pitched down, when it's not pitched down it has potential for certain songs, but for the vast majority of music she'll sound chipmunky and out of place which is unfortunate. So far her demos are the kind of songs that I think she sounds out of place in. In some electronic bubblegum pop songs, she'd sound right at home with her normal pitch. She needs to sing a smile.dk song or something.
its annoying, because it is understandable how they want to separate them and make them not the same, but also same enough that kafu gets attention. but it seems to me that they shouldve figured out more of this 1) before recording the bank as it was and 2) showing it to the public before they decided the outcome of the voice.
it really is just a big mess they caused for themselves, and while im sure they wouldve gotten some hate had they figured this all out behind the scene before showing it off, i feel the benefits wouldve been worth it in the end. but its hard to say from my western perspective, as the japanese fanbase still seems to be going wild over kafu anyways!
That would've been fine if their intention were to make Kafu completely separate from Kaf, I don't think anyone would have had issue with that, but it wasn't, it was last minute decision and the quality suffered from it and that's the issue. As @morrysillusion said it's something they should've figured out beforehand and it shows lack of direction that resulted in inferior product.
The same situation happened with Fukase, he has such strict license so people can't claim they got Fukase ( the voice provider ) to sing their songs because he and the vocaloid version are extremely alike.
I almost forgot about the case of Fukase, and its true! And the problem is exacerbated here because Kaf is also trying to occupy the same digital girl space.
Also here's a comparison of KAFU and Kaf's models;
With 0 context I'd just assume they were both the exact same character or something..
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she sound so nice there, it's a shame
The actual video sounds like a parody now tbh
Is there anyway you could upload that pitch down onto YouTube or SoundCloud? It’s really great. I like the sound of the original song but the vocals are way too high for me to listen to sadly
I like the song, but it's making me wish it was sung by a VB other than Kafu - her cutesy voice doesn't fit the background music.
The pitched down version is getting me upset over how Kafu turned out again, because a VB that sounded closer to the original Kaf would have worked with the song a lot better than the final version of Kafu.
The pitched down version is getting me upset over how Kafu turned out again, because a VB that sounded closer to the original Kaf would have worked with the song a lot better than the final version of Kafu.
i dont think i will repost this pitched down cover bc my intention is not to put it on places where it could take away attention from the original upload. but here is a link to a download of the pitched down versionIs there anyway you could upload that pitch down onto YouTube or SoundCloud? It’s really great. I like the sound of the original song but the vocals are way too high for me to listen to sadly
I listend to some of Kaf’s covers and there are spots where her singing id muffled. I’m starting to think that some of Kafu’s muffled quality comes from how Kaf sings rather than poor quality recordings and that the quality issues are mainly from whatever pitching/edits they’ve done to the vb.
Kafu was definitely less muffled in her type A/externally pitched up type B form. It's safe to assume the most severe muffled-ness comes from the heavy editing done to her samples.
However I'd like to hear her singing the same song again for comparison to see how she's improved.
That’s really a shame to me that the VB sounds like that when it doesn’t have to. If they really did edit the voice because they don’t want it to be like the actual singer it’s kinda no point making the VB especially if it’s going to be low quality. When it comes to high pitched female sounding VB’s there are more than enough of those, that’s why a VB like Iroha or Luka is so nice to me because their voice isn’t like that and, with the pitch down it seems this VB could’ve been another VB along that line. But instead they’re just going to go for whatever this is despite how not good it sounds. Makes me a little worried for flower.
Thats the 1st time I am hearing of this.
What I've heard: Kaf's name is technically Kafu but the "u" is omitted when speaking and to differentiate between the two we do pronounce the "u" in Kafu's name ( and ofc in romaji we also make the differenc present ). It's only different pronunciation. Feel free to correct me tho.
Cevio wiki had been doing some weird stuff as of late from what I've seen, I'd say take what they write with a grain of salt.
What I've heard: Kaf's name is technically Kafu but the "u" is omitted when speaking and to differentiate between the two we do pronounce the "u" in Kafu's name ( and ofc in romaji we also make the differenc present ). It's only different pronunciation. Feel free to correct me tho.
Cevio wiki had been doing some weird stuff as of late from what I've seen, I'd say take what they write with a grain of salt.
yeah this is probably most definitely correct, but i was wondering if i missed something???? cevio wiki is weird
Man I remember wanting the Type A to win so bad when that poll first dropped. I really think they shot themselves in the foot with the Type B. The pitched down song stuff sounds so good too! What a shame. In any case, I'm not one to wish ill on any projects like these. I hope Kafu does well.
I’ll be honest: Her voice has grown on me, and doesn’t sound COMPLETELY terrible to me in its pitched state (maybe its cuz when a favorite character got an UTAU bank, they completely messed up his voice, and KAFU’s voice is bearable compared to his)
I’m def gonna be following up on KAFU’s development, tho i don’t have the highest hopes for her
I’m def gonna be following up on KAFU’s development, tho i don’t have the highest hopes for her
