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VyNancyV6
Ok, so

I really don't understand people surpricing about good covers or originals done with V1 or V2 engine, they can sound really realistic and capable of many thing, is just different engine with different work systems. Most of the time people had just seen bad covers.
IO+
I heard or saw people say about "engine noise" in vocal-synths a lot but do you know how it actually sounds? can you describe how it's sounds like? and is that really a big deal?


I'm curious. . . What's your thoughts?
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VyNancyV6
VyNancyV6
in Vocaloid engine noise is when you hear a background noise, people that have managed to work with V3devkit say that THAT happens when you do a bad config, is over stretching so the engine noise took presence

in voiceroid, is Voiceroid 1, ex sometimes the voice in some words sound like is drowning, the perfect example of this is spaming lines over a single vowel, since the vowel repeats you can hear a metalic noise of the program strugling to recreate that sound [あーーーーーーーーーーー]
Twillby
Twillby
To me it's kind of like a little quirk in the vocals that tends to come from the particular method of synthesis, but I'm not good at putting it into words. For example, Vocaloid specifically seems to add a kind of... edge, I guess, to the vocal. I remember one time I was talking on this forum about someone on Twitch recognizing an Oliver song as the same voice as Puppycat, and someone commented that when they watched Bee and Puppycat that they recognized Puppycat was a Vocaloid from the "weird envelope sound." If I had to guess I think it comes from the way the program splits up phonemes? But I'm definitely not technologically savvy enough to be sure or explain it well. It also seems to make vocals sound more nasally? Like it messes with the timbre of the voice provider's voice in the recordings in a specific way.

CeVIO, especially pre-AI, has like a... buzzy/shaky sound? UTAU, I'm not sure if what I think of when I think "UTAU engine noise" is really engine noise or noise from typically-not-professional-quality recordings. Honestly if I try to listen really hard I can kiiind of maaaybe hear a noise from Synth V, but it's so faint it's even harder to try to put into words, other than "It's simply not a real human, it's not going to sound perfectly like one."

All of that said, I don't think it's a big deal usually, I just felt like trying to put what "engine noise" means/sounds like to me in words X'P
wrong_thyme
wrong_thyme
i once saw someone say utau engine noise sounds like running water, and i think that's an apt comparison (ofc keeping in mind that diff resamplers sound different)
v6 in particular (not vx beta) almost sounds like it's autotuned in places?
mobius017
I'm kind of curious about people's thoughts on electronic picture frames. Does anyone have one/know someone who does?

I feel like these came out and then sort of disappeared, except for the ones that reappeared more recently with videoconferencing functions (e.g., the Alexa one or the Facebook one).

There was always a part of me that thought they'd be kind of cool for showcasing anime/vocal synth artwork. They'd be more or less inconspicuous, and they could store as many of your favorite pics as you need. Especially if they had a slideshow feature, they would also be really good if you liked a lot of art/pics, but had limited space.

But I never really pulled the trigger on getting one. To begin with, they're electronic, so you have to have either a battery or plug them in. If you think about it, most of the pictures in your home are probably things you don't look at every day. So something that draws power constantly seemed inefficient. The other thing is, I think wall-mounted pictures/posters/etc. are really only appealing if they're available the moment you want to see them. If you can't just look up and see them, for me at least, it seems like there's little point. In the little research I did, electronic frames don't seem to show their pics all the time (to save power/the battery/prevent burning-in of the screen, I suppose).

I don't know, those are just my thoughts. To be honest, I'm not really considering getting one at this point, but I've been curious for awhile what other people think/how popular the electronic frames are.
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MagicalMiku
MagicalMiku
I think a nice art wall scroll or art frame is better, because it really gives atmosphere to the room (and the price is always good and you can easily change wall scroll with another one).
I understand the appeal of electronic photo frame, there are some good products in general (I remember there was even a Sony photo frame), but you might have a better product by making it by yourself: I mean, if you buy a cheap Android tablet and a stand, you already have one, or you can buy a mini pc fanless (150$ price average and they use little power, about 6W) and use a 24 inch monitor to display both photo and video of your choice. The plus of having a tablet or a mini pc is that you don't have only a photo frame, but a full device that you can use to also surf the web, listen to music, even play some games (mini pc are perfect for retrogaming with emulators), and most of all, you have choice of what you can do on it ^-^
IO+
IO+
In my opinion, electronic photo frame are more convenient but it need a constant supplies of electricity, it may seem very small but when year's go on it start to add up, although if you have so many photos like 50+ then electronic photo frame are the cheapest option. Meanwhile a traditional photo frame they need a physical space to keep and cleaning, the frame itself have some pricetag to it, a well made frame can be expensive but beautiful and it can last for a generations, but physical photo will deteriorate overtime, but digital photo don't.

I working as part-time photographer, and surprisingly 90% of peoples preferred a traditional way of making photos.
It's cost them like 30 time more than processing digitally, even though i can send them a bunch of files without additional fee but they want their photos getting process in darkroom anyways.
mobius017
mobius017
@IO+: I would guess that's probably because of the nature of the pictures you're taking. People generally hire photographers for particularly meaningful events, and I think there's generally a perception that lab-made photos are higher-quality. These days, at least, I'm pretty sure you can get digital photos printed on photo paper, if you take your SD card or a flash drive to the right place. But most people probably don't want to do that if they're hiring someone to take good pictures anyway--they want the pictures to arrive on good paper right away.

I'm sure it's not news to you, but I was amazed when I got my first digital camera how much difference the photo paper makes. Just printing pictures on letter paper is nothing like what you get if you can print on a pack of home photo paper, or get your pictures printed in a store. They come out clearer, on the thicker/sturdier paper, and with a glossy finish that protects the image.

At least, if I were choosing between receiving digital files or printed photos, that would be what I'd be thinking about.
mobius017
This song used to have coherent color coding of its various regions in my DAW.

Somehow, it no longer does :ROFL:.
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Vector
Vector
I like how people have strong opinions over what color different instrument parts should be. (#TeamBassIsPurple)

I also set my vocal tracks to be the same color as the voice bank being used.
mobius017
mobius017
I usually let Studio One pick the initial color (though sometimes not), and then change the hue/color based on the function of that MIDI part in the song. For example, the intro of the song might be whatever the default was for that track, and then the verse might be a darker hue or different color, and the chorus will be still different. Oddball/filler bits I make a different unused color.

And then I add flags into the marker track just to make seeing the different sections even easier.
lynnquote
Why do people expect Vocaloid\UTAU voice to sound the same once it's been remade into AI?
It's already been made clear that the voice providers sound different than the old synthesizers.
Why put in such an expectation? Vflower's voice is clearly machine-sounding and all of it's traits are due to the compressed nature of the samples + the Vocaloid3/4 engine warping them.
Of course the VP can't sound the same. I see people make remarks about UTAU Ritsu sounding better than the AI Ritsus when it's clear that the UTAU VB samples were cherrypicked to sound consistently shout-y to a non-human level. Nobody sings like that. Canon doesn't scream when she sings, it'd strain the voice too much. Of course the UTAU is going to always sound powerful when the samples were made and picked to sound that way.
I think it's unreasonable that people think the AI is simply going to be "automatic tuning generator" when the AI is actually a recreation of the voice provider's singing.
Training an AI voice directly on top of the UTAU rendered voice is going to make it sound low-quality due to the double synthesizing.
I get that we all have nostalgia for the old chunky sound of a previous generation synth, but AI is more welcoming to producers who don't want to deal with all the manual tuning. It's simply easier to use and sounds better by default.
And we can still keep our copies of the old previous gen synth.
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lynnquote
lynnquote
AddictiveCUL, are you seriously trying to imply that people who use SynthesizerV are not artists? What? You do realize tons of early Vocaloid producers didn't even tune their vocals and just left the raw render on top of the instrumental, right? What's so different about this? All I'm trying to say is that AI creates a quicker result with less effort, and if you still want to put more effort in, you can do that. You can achieve style with SynthV voices, too. I'm genuinely confused.
If the AI version "shouldn't" sound realistic, then what is the point of upgrading the synthesizer? Why even develop a new renderer? What do you expect AI to be? This isn't genAI we're talking about, it's SynthesizerV and it's equivalents. They're still as much of an instrument as Vocaloid is.
You just seem to be very against SynthV for no reason whatsoever. Is this a cause of brand loyalty/nostalgia?
In the end, we still have to make the background track ourselves, so why force the musician to add more lengthy processes to their work? Isn't the fact they made a whole song already artistic enough? This isn't about cover tuners, you know.
Chuchu
Chuchu
People got used to how characters sound after so many years and how the engine noise affects the voice which becomes part of their brand. Crypton got so much shit from the Japanese side about how different Miku Append sounded from default Miku V2 and many Vocalo-p even boycotted Miku Append for a short while until more songs showed the voicebanks potential. Most just want more ease of use while retaining the unique sound the vocal character is associated with. It's nothing new that people will throw a hissy fit if an established and beloved character's image and voice is drastically changed into something unrecognizable.
IO+
IO+
I make peace with it, don't like to talk about this subject too much because, peoples are different so their opinion.

I have utau vs synth v cover the same song and i give them the same attention to detail and both are sound good.

But AI is not just AI though they are different, let say most homemade utau to AI is just using nnsvs or rvc and just slap some performance that rip from someone else without permission. SynthV have their own method, Yamaha have their own AI, neutrino is a little bit different but at the end it sound just as good as paid editor like synthV

At the end of the day like 80-90% of listener only care about results. If the song good, it's good.
If you look at vocaloid in 2005-2010 most of the song that use un-tune vocaloid and some of those song are one of the most iconic song.

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Maribelle

Mai latest wip because mixing the medley is hell on earth lol so Im taking a long break... first time using Mai and I'm not that big a fan? shes good but lots of loud recordings that you have to fix and she handles pitch way differently than Feng Yi but the price can't be beat! Shes a place holder until Miki is released :) I tried to base the tuning on Shizuku (feng Yi... which is what I try to tune Feng yi like anyway sooooo) and Airi (Mai) from project sekai for this song ;-;
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GreenFantasy64
Okay...I think I'm going to finally set on getting a HDD for my laptop. For my Music/Videos/and spare copies of my vocaloids and editors with a doc of all their codes. Than maybe I'll just get a yearly Onedrive of 100 GB for just my Word docs of my fanfics and original stories attempts (only like 1 complete novel...lol, and a halfway done one from long time ago)
There is a Toshiba Canvio Basic of 2TB I'm thinking of getting, but it's in Amazon. Or a 2TB Western Digital from bestbuy....I just need to remember my password...:kyo_ani_lili:
morrysillusion
man im annoyed i worked so hard on that avril lavigne cover with yi xi only to not be able to post it anywhere bc of copyright claims lol. i wanna post a cover with yi xi but idk what i want to make now...
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MillyAqualine
MillyAqualine
This is why I'm a bit sad about returning fully to UTAU and still keeping with Vocaloid, cevio etc because I've been so salty about that one old SC bad experience that now I hesitate to post anything that isn't an original of mine... So atm I've started to put a few on Google drive but it isn't extensible....
morrysillusion
morrysillusion
yeah i usually post my copyrighted stuff to Whyp.it (which i used to use clip.it but they changed to being paid) and try to link from there, but ya know. its not a platform people are just on- like soundcloud or youtube. i struggle more with soundcloud than youtube so i honestly barely post there, especially with its post limit.
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