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This is sort of related to @IO+'s profile post, but it ended up being a little off-topic:

I think a good vocal synth song comes from at least two areas. First (though possibly less-importantly), that the lyrics are written well, and in a way that both clearly and artistically attempts to convey ideas that are important to the producer. Second, that the music be good--that it embodies the appropriate mood, has an appropriate energy flow that shifts and moves through the different parts of the song, and has both constant elements that hold the song together and elements that vary and make the song change pleasingly over time.
The beautiful part of hobbies is to take a sweet time to learn and actually enjoy whatever they like and make a thoughtful investment for what they really need but these day i feel like peoples focusing on buying what their community expect them to buy. Hype can make peoples desperate.

It's not my business to tell peoples how to use their saving. I just think that it's crazy how peoples today are so desperate for attention.

I didn't mean or attempt to rant or venting out, just curious. What and why it go or it end up this way.
MillyAqualine
MillyAqualine
Moreover, I feel the fact some wanted to take it to the next level hoping to end up like Circus-P or Japanese producers didn't help because it means less visibility for users who are strugglnig and doing their best + having synths that they love over synths that they don't love as much or don't love at all but are the popular ones

On my side I'm happy to finally have acquired Miku and Sweet ann, but mostly because I love them, then when I look at the Vsynth I have (even on Cevio and Cevio AI side with the exception of Tsuzumi being half-popular) I've noticed I've mostly outsiders and that I was happy to get them because they're the ones who appeal to ME

And I do agree on people getting nearly "GO BUY THIS ONE!!!1!&!" kind of subtext when they're trying to pick a synth
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Gumi ? Yes she is very nice and I also love her, but would I buy her right now ? Nope because while she's appealing she is still costy and the fact they ditched the V4 editor while she had the massive append bundle kinda broke it to me + even if her synthv is impressive well, that leads to the following...

Synth V ? Sure I deeply love Saki and I'm happy Maki could finally get a singing voice after all these years (even though the situation with her voicer getting replaced without knowing was not really a pleasant and polite thing) but would I invest into it ? Same as GUMI, not sure and if I do, it'd be in sooooooome years because it's not my priority and that after all, synthv lite and lite banks exist ; even if that means the day I finally make and finish that one song i've started back in the time during her web edition era with Saki, I'd need to switch to a singer i've paid and whom I can use as replacement if i was ever planning to sell the concerned song

Only relying on AI voicebanks ? Sure it'd make things easier but then how can I finally stop having potato tuning and have a real nice one if I let the voice be too much ? On some songs it may work, but others it's not sufficient

Massive FL Studio big bundle ? Too much money and same problem as synthv lite, if i ever make something decent enough to be sold, I wouldn't be able because of their policy so at this point, I feel like the song I was wanting to make with Sakanne and for Spanish version, with BRUNO, will likely be redone music-wise in LMMS or other programs where they don't mind so I can finally be free
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Also the double standards that has been with loops, where some seem to be able to use loads of them in a song yet people like me have tried to do it in the past in a first time to finally have a beautiful music and learn how to align things so it doesn't end up as a warbled mess, and we were said it was bad to do so (again those were UTAU elitists so that doesn't even surprise me to see such an inconsistent mindset)

Add to this the fact it's the same genres that tend to take the lead because they're the most spammed and you get users wanting desperately to get noticed so they go the extra mile to appeal instead of doing what they really want to do at core (except for those who love said genres, then it doesn't revolve around them since they're already in their elements so it isn't the same approach)



Also while I won't deny I've kinda overdid it lately for the past one year and a half, it still kinda makes me ill-at-ease to see loads of sales even though it's way better than in the past since it permits people to buy their synths without sacrifying their monthly wage or wait for billion of years to be able to buy the synth they want.... But yeah, while some like me can hold back and say "well, too bad for X/Y/Z I will buy them when i can have a better situation since it's gonna be too tough for the on-going period" as I've been doing since my last purchase back in late February because of life, but other people may ruin themselves, and I've noticed some were even younger (some are barely out of minor age) splurge loads of money at a bigger frequence than i've been doing in my massive buying short period and yeah, as you said people do whatever they want with their earnings and savings, but everyone should keep in my mind what they buy can be considered as a sort of luxury item like a jewel or very fine-end delicacy
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If anyone has or can find an off vocal for 星雨之夜 (night of rain and stars) by ilem I would be eternally grateful I found one on baidu but I can't make an account ;-;
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Hopefully someone will be able to download it off of baidu and share it.
IO+
IO+
I can separate vocals out of instrument. It will not 100% perfect but at least it usable. If you interested however.
I made a YT short covering building a basic vocal effects chain, with compression and reverb. Mainly because I've been dabbling in Shorts a little to see if they can help grow a channel, but also because one of the things that bothers me about some covers I come across is raw vocals that just have their volume turned up.

vocaloid things you're certain will absolutely never happen?

for me, avanna talk, or a talk version of any other zero-g-loid. pretty sure zero-g is a music software company and has zero interest in making talk voicebanks for its singers (vocatone on the other hand...i can imagine them making talk voicebanks for theirs tbh. same with ruby's team, and maybe pfx as it seems al and ann are getting maghni voicebanks)

this is mostly a bummer for prima because i don't think anyone speaks in a sung opera tone??? like, avanna's obviously sung too, but she's clear in articulation and her voice is a bit closer to a "normal voice" one would speak in

it'd just be cool to have english-language character talk voices, especially in non-american accents as american accents dominate global voice acting (e.g. anime and game dubs, as opposed to local programs like BBC in the UK and RTE in Ireland)
I WILL NEVER BEGRUDGE ANYONE FOR NOT TUNING THEIR VOCALOIDS EVER AGAIN literally worst program to tune in ever
I like kagamines, but I really hate that Power VB became the Standard ones
I know Act1 and Act2 were intended to be a little powerfull and then when the appends came out the Power vb became Act3 but I think this limit the range of the voices

Act 1 and Act2 can sound powerfull but also fit soft musics and sound like Normal voices, power ones just work as power and cant fit very well in soft music because they sound like they are pushing its voice to sound hard

I wish some day Crypton creates an real Act3 with more normal voice, because among with Luka, they are the only vb without a Normal voice

Is like remove "Original" vb from Miku package, yeah you have the rest of the appends but you dont have a "Normal" voice to sound "stable"
WyndReed
WyndReed
Honestly the V4 Kagamines really need cross synth to sound decent and probably could use being xsy’d with their V2s (act2 and appends) to sound better. Their power vbs are good, but they need a “normal” voice.
I've heard a really good cover of Gakupo whisper after years od haven't heard Gakupo
Is surpricing how his Native vb has a problem simmilar to Kaito straight vb
The appends sounds way better than the voicebank that should be a "Normal" voice

I think even Gakupo power sounds better as a "Normal" gakupo vb more than native one

:gackpo_lili:
I'm gonna be honest, sometimes I feel insecure about using old voicebanks because everyone seems to be moving on to the fancy cutting-edge AI technology and I'm still using concatenative voicebanks from the V3-V4 era (with the exception of maybe Chis-A, who's free anyway). Yes, I can use SynthV Basic, but since that's NG for commercial use I feel like I can't use it to make original songs lest I eventually sell them.

Then again, my idealistic 12-year-old self specifically wanted to be a Vocaloid producer, and the things I experimented with before purchasing Miku, such as UTAU, Sharpkey/Deepvocal, and the free versions of SynthV (R1 evaluation and R2 Basic), and even RenoidPlayer and Sinsy before I even had access to anything more than a Chromebook (I had a PC I could use since before Web SynthV came out), were just to get me ready. Part of me just wants to honor my tween-age wishes, and I'm also super used to Piapro Studio by now.

But at the same time, in both the vocalsynth fandom and music-production communities, people are largely leaving the old stuff behind in favor of AI-powered stuff, especially SynthV at least in the West. Many of my favorite vocalists are getting updates- and for those who likely aren't, fans are screaming for them to, acting like their companies are criminals for not giving them such- and some new vocals are super tempting too, especially if I could potentially use them well in my favorite genres. But I can't afford it right now, and even when I'm set up with a job I can't just go spending all over the place no matter how much people say "you should totally get X Y and Z!"
mobius017
mobius017
Honestly, my basic advice for anyone when choosing a vocal synth is always the same: choose the vocal synth you like. There'll probably be the odd people who will say you should pick a newer/different one because they like the newer ones or dislike the older ones. But making art is something you do for yourself, and then maybe hope that some people will like it afterwards. And you'll be happier with your art if you make it with synths with which you feel happier working.
IO+
IO+
In my opinion old vocal-synths or any software in general, it just old because of the number (release date). Not actual age itself.

As long as you can use it on modern operating system it's not obsolete.

Honestly, AI thing is not really a groundbreaking technology, compared to Neutrino that you can write lyrics and rendering online inside your phones without putting a single weight on users back and doing it fast and efficient. That's what i call innovative technology.
AddictiveCUL (Add)
AddictiveCUL (Add)
I won't say you shouldn't worry. Miku is in Piapro so Vocaloid is in it's wekeast popularity point unless a new Miku releases (Vocaloid was never that popular), what leaves the space open for new synths like SynthV and CevioAI to take that sweet spot. But, in my opinion, this won't happen.

As much as the new technology is cool and all, what people wants is a V4 with better parametters editing, not necessarily AI voicebanks. This happens a lot in the synth community, people hyping stuff and going with the trend, as far as I can remember this happened to Cevio, Cadencii, Neutrino, DeepVocal and probably something else. And, let's be honest, who are they next to Miku vocaloid popularity? Cadencii was literally destroyed by utau some months later it released.

I can't say for sure if it's just the synth community going trendy again (Because AI in on itself is a pretty big subject right now), but I can definetly say that if it ends up being trendy you will have your space. And you will probably have your space if it isn't too bc, as I always says, realistic singing unless sang by a real human don't has the style, Synthesized vocals have.
I think Gakupo should be Weird in a nerdy way, not in a creepy way. Like yes king I WILL listen to your infodumps about Heian period history and the Bushido code
Woaaaah in the beginning I was a bit worried about the very simple setting (though it was more elaborated and livelier than the simple one in the first clip shown on TV) but JESUS, SLIMANE YOU DARED DOING IT THE NOUGARO WAY AND SINGING THE BLASTING BEFORE-END CHORUS AFAR FROM THE MIC LIKE AN OPERA SINGER, RESPECT !!! I got the shivers!!

Edit : Also got slapped a second time, this time by Kaleen
Over the past few years, I have noticed that some companies that produce vocal synthesizers are ambitious and innovative, producing new features that exceed public expectations. Other companies may not produce new and exciting features, but they are committed to updating their current voice banks to keep up with the latest vocal synthesizer technologies. These companies should be supported by all of us.

However, there are certain companies that are currently in their "comfort zone" instead of pushing towards the advancement of vocal synthesizer technologies. Instead of being the actual pioneers with proven results, they cling to nostalgia and release half-baked products. They are delaying important updates that are needed to the current voice bank and giving empty promises to their customers. Meanwhile, they keep squeezing every last drop of "value" from their own characters. It's no wonder that more and more people are becoming dissatisfied with their attitude. Despite the complaints, these companies remain blind to their shortcomings and continue to live in their own fantasy world. Unfortunately, there are still fans who are blind to these issues and continue to blindly support these companies while criticizing those with legitimate concerns.
I know that Circus and Crusher's relationship was toxic, but man did they write some certified bangers together. (listening to reuploads of Wildfire and Crystalline)
gakupo whisper in the high range: a smol boi! soft and fluffy. wants the best for you :)
gakupo whisper in the low range: n̸̨̡̡̧͇͕̥͔̼͕̙̜̉̀̉̋͑̎̃̎̉̎̇͑͜͠͝͝ͅͅe̵͇͍͚̜̔̀̓͑̊̃̀͐̅̊̉͗̋̈́͠ĕ̵̡͎͕̯͔̱̯̥͎̰̺͐͜ͅ ̷̦̦̰̠͍̙̱͕͇͕̫̺̺͇͎̜̋̀̄̐̈́̾͘ͅh̸͓̠̜̳̯̘̿̔̈́̌̀̓̉̂͌̑͒͒͌̚ǫ̶͉̘͆̃́̑͋͒̀̅̕̕͝ͅŕ̴̘̯̦͕̐̓͗͝a̷̩̰͚̭̳̫̞͙̘̖̓͂̀͆͂̂̊̇̋͋͌̏̚
I bought Haruno Sora last night after I remembered she had a lite version and I fell in love all over again ;-; I've been working on this on and off with Feng Yi for a year or so lol and thought Sora would be a good fit! Still have fine tuning to do also Sora has some consistency problems in tone in her higher octaves and it is annoying because it isn't every note just some ;-;

Edit: Uploaded the harmonies not the main vocals rip fixed now