VOCALOID VOCALOID6

peaches2217

The One With the Sunflower Hairclip
Sep 11, 2019
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But it is. If you download enough VSQx from the internet you will notice that a lot of people do tuning that way. I do it myself as well, since editing with the pitch parameter feels kinda finicky.
Most of the ones I’ve experimented with can be fixed both quickly and easily. It’s an issue if you’re aiming to plug n play, sure, but it’s not some big software-breaking bug. For most people the worst that’ll happen is you’ll have to do some extra pitch work if something sounds wonky. Notebending that relies on 1/128th notes isn’t notebending that relies on an exact science, even with how finicky Pitch can be you can get the exact same sound with two or three clicks. It’s annoying, but it’s nothing worse than that.
 

WyndReed

Dareka tasukete!
Apr 8, 2018
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I think the problem here is that there is a method that people use for tuning, and now if they want to use V6 they'll have to make adjustments to a method that may or may not be ingrained into how their brains approach tuning. From my understanding more people notebend then use parameters for pitch editing. Depending on the person, it can take a lot of effort to adjust how you do something especially if you've been doing it a while.
 

Leon

AKA missy20201 (Elliot)
Apr 8, 2018
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Agreed on both sides. It's frustrating for users to adapt to and frankly a little bit perplexing that the apparent stance is that this was intentional, when older versions of the software could pull it off fine. But on the flip side, tuning with other methods (1/32 notes or even just totally relying on params) is perfectly possible, and the editor certainly isn't unusable for it.
 

peaches2217

The One With the Sunflower Hairclip
Sep 11, 2019
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25
Arklahoma
Agreed on both sides. It's frustrating for users to adapt to and frankly a little bit perplexing that the apparent stance is that this was intentional, when older versions of the software could pull it off fine. But on the flip side, tuning with other methods (1/32 notes or even just totally relying on params) is perfectly possible, and the editor certainly isn't unusable for it.
I’m with you on that! I wish it wasn’t this way, but I’m seeing people saying it’s completely ruined their opinion of V6 or insisting that all older VSQs are now unusable, when in reality it’s just an inconvenience. But it’s still absolutely an inconvenience, and while I get where they’re coming from in implementing this, I don’t agree with it per say.
 

nightmare

SynthV Tuner
Apr 22, 2019
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Maybe some would be less deterred by the limited ability to notebend if Yamaha allowed pitch to be drawn on the notes? Notebending can also be used to manipulate pronunciation, dynamics and stress of the Vocaloid voices. These techniques are not prevalent in tuning other AI synths, like SynthV, CeVIO and ACE - or, at least, you don't need to break a note into tiny pieces to achieve a certain effect. IMO, Vocaloid6 doesn't really have enough of AI quality to abandon the heavy notebending tuning method completely. The only part of Vocaloid that sounds AI to me is the Vocalochanger, which is separate from the editor.

I agree it's mostly a minor setback, though.
 

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