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Mix practicing, with rock song, there is 2 part with difference approach, first one is more aggressive, second one is very close to original.

Original song from niki



Rock song is not my strong suit so i think it's nice to step outside of comfort zone for better learning.
MagicalMiku
MagicalMiku
I like both! the first one, more aggressive indeed but still very balanced, would fit well for an intro sequence, while the second is more suited for a background music of some kind. well done!:prima_lili:
IO+
IO+
Thank you for the feedback response!

The first track i put more emphasis on attack of the snare and oomph of the kicks, i feel like guitar is quite dominant so i pull mid frequency out of the side channel by a tiny bit like -0.4/-0.6 dB (very wide Q) and mid channel out a little bit just 1dB (Q factor is a little wide) i think attack of the snare and meat of the kicks should come up (which it does).
I still think snare need a little more work but the song itself is quite full already and it will get brighter when it louder so i don't have much option. I decided to use clipper to chop the peak of the snare to get more attack. This may sound counter-intuitive, chopping the click sound off to get more click. . . but it work.

The second track i didn't do much, mostly a tiny eq correction and done, this track is already great from the start. I don't think putting more plugins would improve anything so i leave it as it is.
Piapro editor and new version of vocaloid still stuck with a crude CC values, There is some claims with one of the developer's inside interview book (2020-2021). That old CC values is more than enough for fine adjustment. In my opinion they are not wrong but these 80s standard won't last long anyway. Even a free editor like OpenUtau they already improve the parameters significantly similar to SynthV that the parameters have such a massive headroom to the point that "stairs step" no longer exists. Isn't that a tiny details is what we are so obsessed with?

It's not a big deal however. Sometimes i just wonder why they just stuck there. It must have a reasons.
At this point I'm going to make a video titled "(ACME IKU'S GROWL'S JUSTICE AI NT+) Really realistic vocaloid tuning practice oh my god guys it's not RVC" and it's just going to be a render of some random vsq I downloaded with a v4loid on deep GEN but with a really heavy vibrato filter over it from my DAW.
Maybe I'll apply random voice cracks, key changes, vocal fry, growl and xsy on it to make it really authentic.
...I don't have time for that, so feel free to use this idea.
oh gosh its my first utau's bday on wednesday... i cant believe it has been 8 years. i think i may be cancelling Mex and just update Xed again tbh. not sure. i kinda like the idea of just keeping one utau, since i have no plans to get further involved with utau past one voice tbh
i think every vocaloid should have an official sakura version. why do only miku and piko get to have all the pink fun??
This is sort of related to @IO+'s profile post, but it ended up being a little off-topic:

I think a good vocal synth song comes from at least two areas. First (though possibly less-importantly), that the lyrics are written well, and in a way that both clearly and artistically attempts to convey ideas that are important to the producer. Second, that the music be good--that it embodies the appropriate mood, has an appropriate energy flow that shifts and moves through the different parts of the song, and has both constant elements that hold the song together and elements that vary and make the song change pleasingly over time.
The beautiful part of hobbies is to take a sweet time to learn and actually enjoy whatever they like and make a thoughtful investment for what they really need but these day i feel like peoples focusing on buying what their community expect them to buy. Hype can make peoples desperate.

It's not my business to tell peoples how to use their saving. I just think that it's crazy how peoples today are so desperate for attention.

I didn't mean or attempt to rant or venting out, just curious. What and why it go or it end up this way.
MillyAqualine
MillyAqualine
Also the double standards that has been with loops, where some seem to be able to use loads of them in a song yet people like me have tried to do it in the past in a first time to finally have a beautiful music and learn how to align things so it doesn't end up as a warbled mess, and we were said it was bad to do so (again those were UTAU elitists so that doesn't even surprise me to see such an inconsistent mindset)

Add to this the fact it's the same genres that tend to take the lead because they're the most spammed and you get users wanting desperately to get noticed so they go the extra mile to appeal instead of doing what they really want to do at core (except for those who love said genres, then it doesn't revolve around them since they're already in their elements so it isn't the same approach)



Also while I won't deny I've kinda overdid it lately for the past one year and a half, it still kinda makes me ill-at-ease to see loads of sales even though it's way better than in the past since it permits people to buy their synths without sacrifying their monthly wage or wait for billion of years to be able to buy the synth they want.... But yeah, while some like me can hold back and say "well, too bad for X/Y/Z I will buy them when i can have a better situation since it's gonna be too tough for the on-going period" as I've been doing since my last purchase back in late February because of life, but other people may ruin themselves, and I've noticed some were even younger (some are barely out of minor age) splurge loads of money at a bigger frequence than i've been doing in my massive buying short period and yeah, as you said people do whatever they want with their earnings and savings, but everyone should keep in my mind what they buy can be considered as a sort of luxury item like a jewel or very fine-end delicacy
IO+
IO+
I forgot to mention that this is not just about vocal-synths relate problem though, it seem to happen to bascially any community.

Add to this the fact it's the same genres that tend to take the lead because they're the most spammed and you get users wanting desperately to get noticed so they go the extra mile to appeal instead of doing what they really want to do at core (except for those who love said genres, then it doesn't revolve around them since they're already in their elements so it isn't the same approach)
It seem to be this way, unfotunately.
In my opinion if people have put more faith in their style and stick to their own road map, it will more worth it in the end. I teach a lot of peoples, guide them, push them whenever i can either directly or indirectly but not many people really success. I just wanted to speak out of bottom of my heart here, because 95% of people i help they don't have the will and commitment to make a different. Commitment is very important and i can't stress this enough. I teach peoples how to mixes, how to make musics. They learn and do pretty well actually but they didn't even try to make the best out of it. Although, it just a covers song. Sure, there is a disposable quality to cover songs but that doesn't mean they can't make the best mix or at least try to make the best one. I always said, treat the listeners with utmost respect by give them the best listening experience. Hell..no. They don't even respect the deadline. Never finish anything. I feel like it's a complete waste of time if i try to lend a hand.
IO+
IO+
Something about vocal-synth/music producers community, that whenever a newcomers asking about what vbs or plugins they should get, i feel like i'm the only one who say, NO. Try the free one first. I just want peoples to asking themselves first and decided that this is the hobby that they are actually looking for. I saw a lot of teenage newcomers that just wanted to be the part of community with little understanding and then people start to pouring list of vbs/plugins they should get, and i was like "are you guys crazy?" it just so wrong on many level.

I hate to see people throw money at problem or buy their way out. This is not how it work.
If anyone has or can find an off vocal for 星雨之夜 (night of rain and stars) by ilem I would be eternally grateful I found one on baidu but I can't make an account ;-;
I made a YT short covering building a basic vocal effects chain, with compression and reverb. Mainly because I've been dabbling in Shorts a little to see if they can help grow a channel, but also because one of the things that bothers me about some covers I come across is raw vocals that just have their volume turned up.

vocaloid things you're certain will absolutely never happen?

for me, avanna talk, or a talk version of any other zero-g-loid. pretty sure zero-g is a music software company and has zero interest in making talk voicebanks for its singers (vocatone on the other hand...i can imagine them making talk voicebanks for theirs tbh. same with ruby's team, and maybe pfx as it seems al and ann are getting maghni voicebanks)

this is mostly a bummer for prima because i don't think anyone speaks in a sung opera tone??? like, avanna's obviously sung too, but she's clear in articulation and her voice is a bit closer to a "normal voice" one would speak in

it'd just be cool to have english-language character talk voices, especially in non-american accents as american accents dominate global voice acting (e.g. anime and game dubs, as opposed to local programs like BBC in the UK and RTE in Ireland)
I WILL NEVER BEGRUDGE ANYONE FOR NOT TUNING THEIR VOCALOIDS EVER AGAIN literally worst program to tune in ever
I like kagamines, but I really hate that Power VB became the Standard ones
I know Act1 and Act2 were intended to be a little powerfull and then when the appends came out the Power vb became Act3 but I think this limit the range of the voices

Act 1 and Act2 can sound powerfull but also fit soft musics and sound like Normal voices, power ones just work as power and cant fit very well in soft music because they sound like they are pushing its voice to sound hard

I wish some day Crypton creates an real Act3 with more normal voice, because among with Luka, they are the only vb without a Normal voice

Is like remove "Original" vb from Miku package, yeah you have the rest of the appends but you dont have a "Normal" voice to sound "stable"
WyndReed
WyndReed
Honestly the V4 Kagamines really need cross synth to sound decent and probably could use being xsy’d with their V2s (act2 and appends) to sound better. Their power vbs are good, but they need a “normal” voice.
I've heard a really good cover of Gakupo whisper after years od haven't heard Gakupo
Is surpricing how his Native vb has a problem simmilar to Kaito straight vb
The appends sounds way better than the voicebank that should be a "Normal" voice

I think even Gakupo power sounds better as a "Normal" gakupo vb more than native one

:gackpo_lili: