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I watched that PJSK upload of Tokyo Teddy Bear. Does Rin sound a little softer than usual (by NT standards) to anyone else? I wonder if it's a sign they've started working on her Appends, but it also could just be tuning/mixing.
I think Rin is the best sounding out of these prototype voice libraries. She has the core of her voice intact, and doesn't have that overpowering metallic noise.
Though I do wish they would make it a little cuter, she still has that weird Append Power tone.
It's funny, isn't it? Luka and Meiko got "cuter", while Rin, who is actually supposed to be cute, still has the weird froggy tone.
I just want them to have a go at the ACT1 voicebanks again, but they're probably just reusing their V2 Append samples for these prototypes. I do wish they would record new samples, as I think having them re-recorded for a new engine could help them design an engine not limited to their old Vocaloid practices, that would really shine, but Crypton is too scared of having them sound too different, which they already are starting to with Luka and Meiko! (plus they've put layers and layers of post-processing into these samples in an attempt to clean them up and the digital artifacting is clearly hearable in the synthesis output. Having new, clean samples would be better to work with.)
:rin_lili:
I do wonder if Miku NT's EVEC works by sampling. Did they record unique sounds for these, or are they reusing old takes that we weren't previously shown? For the Original+ and Whisper+ library, it's possible they just re-used V4X EVEC sounds, but this is the first time Dark has had EVEC (Dark+). It's possible it's just engine processing.
The song Patchwork Staccato that was recently uploaded by PJSK almost had me in tears. You know, I'm so invested in this song because it's actually one of my favorites. Miku, Meiko, and Rin look breathtakingly beautiful in the video, but the moment they start to sing, I can barely hold myself back due to their voice condition.

There seems to be a recurring issue where the virtual singers do not blend well with the voice actors whenever they sing together. There are two possible reasons for this: First, the NT voicebank is certainly underdeveloped (I keep on wondering why would they avoid Vocaloid voicebanks altogether?). Second, unprofessional tuning (or simply not tuned at all) makes the virtual singers sound flat and rather unpolished.

As a huge fan of these virtual singers, I eagerly watch every new PJSK video, hoping to see the virtual singers shine. Although I'm left disappointed time and again, I still hope that one day things will get improved.
i really wish there was actually a vocal synth for synthesizing screamo vocals super well bc its probably something id utilize in my own music if i tried to start singing my own stuff... cuz i have always liked screamo vocals, but uhhh i cant see myself achieving that (not without a looot of training and even then... i am shy to try it), also bc of the ya know.. strain it takes. itd be ideal to have a screamo vocsynth that could do it just as well as a real voice. would save all the trouble of trying to scream myself lol

and its not just about getting a voice that can scream. its getting a voice that can scream *words* and *sentences*. i can manage decently getting a vocsynth to *scream* but to have full screamo verses just.. never sounds right
Serious question:

Have you ever heard a cover so good of a vocaloid that you keep listening that cover instead of the original?
Or a so well tunned cover that now you hear the original and think the tuning is kinda flat?

:sweetann_lili:
what is with the jp fandom's allergy to male voices? i kno it's more male dominated but that still doesn't explain it fully, en male vocaPs don't have *such* an aversion
especially in songs like unfriendly hater, where the characters are supposed to be guys but they're still voiced by kafu and miku, which is just,, what?
augh, i dont like how busy i have been lately... i have cleaned up my vbs enough for xed's bday but i dont think i can get out a video with demos all tonight... i am always so indecisive when it comes to the covers themselves too
Mix practicing, with rock song, there is 2 part with difference approach, first one is more aggressive, second one is very close to original.

Original song from niki



Rock song is not my strong suit so i think it's nice to step outside of comfort zone for better learning.
IO+
IO+
Thank you for the feedback response!

The first track i put more emphasis on attack of the snare and oomph of the kicks, i feel like guitar is quite dominant so i pull mid frequency out of the side channel by a tiny bit like -0.4/-0.6 dB (very wide Q) and mid channel out a little bit just 1dB (Q factor is a little wide) i think attack of the snare and meat of the kicks should come up (which it does).
I still think snare need a little more work but the song itself is quite full already and it will get brighter when it louder so i don't have much option. I decided to use clipper to chop the peak of the snare to get more attack. This may sound counter-intuitive, chopping the click sound off to get more click. . . but it work.

The second track i didn't do much, mostly a tiny eq correction and done, this track is already great from the start. I don't think putting more plugins would improve anything so i leave it as it is.
AddictiveCUL (Add)
AddictiveCUL (Add)
In the first one I feel the sound is more fuller, I guess you would need a little more of work on the vocals to make them sit well in the mix, but it's definetly sounds like the "right choice".

The second one I feel like it is easy to hear that there is a spot for the voice to sit on, what is pretty good, but I like the huge instrumentals more.

Both are incredible tho, love your mixing skills! *3

Btw, I always follows the rule "Don't mess with what is already mixed" bc I'm a newbie. But hearing your results I think I should try messing with it too XD Thanks for the insight.
IO+
IO+
Thank you for the feedback! The first one is sound very similar to the cover i made Here and i realize that i made a mistake, so i start to practicing with this song again.

Btw, I always follows the rule "Don't mess with what is already mixed" bc I'm a newbie. But hearing your results I think I should try messing with it too XD Thanks for the insight.
My advice is to believe in yourself, make a move and commit to the decision you made. I made a mistake too. . . A lot of it. Just like anyone else's but i respect my decision and if some thing wrong i will or at least try to correct my mistake.
Let's say, you spend sometime mixing a song and in the end it's doesn't sound right, you can simply remove all plugins!
when will yamaha add pitch editing directly on the notessss importing synthv tuning can only do so much (and it's usually off-key on the vocaloids anyway) :ring_ani_lili:
Piapro editor and new version of vocaloid still stuck with a crude CC values, There is some claims with one of the developer's inside interview book (2020-2021). That old CC values is more than enough for fine adjustment. In my opinion they are not wrong but these 80s standard won't last long anyway. Even a free editor like OpenUtau they already improve the parameters significantly similar to SynthV that the parameters have such a massive headroom to the point that "stairs step" no longer exists. Isn't that a tiny details is what we are so obsessed with?

It's not a big deal however. Sometimes i just wonder why they just stuck there. It must have a reasons.
mobius017
mobius017
By CC values, do you mean the tuning parameters? Just trying to understand. Unless you're thinking of automating something inside the vocal synth editor from the DAW?
IO+
IO+
By CC values, do you mean the tuning parameters? Just trying to understand. Unless you're thinking of automating something inside the vocal synth editor from the DAW?
Yes. CC is stand for Continuous Control and it is the main part of tuning parameters. This topic is massive on it's own, so i think it is best to not discuss it.

Just for TLDR. These CC data have rather poor resolution (127) so it create stairs step by design. and in the case of vocaloid 1-6 and piapro that all CC data is being quantized to 64th which is very unfortunate to say the least.
cafe update!
At this point I'm going to make a video titled "(ACME IKU'S GROWL'S JUSTICE AI NT+) Really realistic vocaloid tuning practice oh my god guys it's not RVC" and it's just going to be a render of some random vsq I downloaded with a v4loid on deep GEN but with a really heavy vibrato filter over it from my DAW.
Maybe I'll apply random voice cracks, key changes, vocal fry, growl and xsy on it to make it really authentic.
...I don't have time for that, so feel free to use this idea.
oh gosh its my first utau's bday on wednesday... i cant believe it has been 8 years. i think i may be cancelling Mex and just update Xed again tbh. not sure. i kinda like the idea of just keeping one utau, since i have no plans to get further involved with utau past one voice tbh
i think every vocaloid should have an official sakura version. why do only miku and piko get to have all the pink fun??
This is sort of related to @IO+'s profile post, but it ended up being a little off-topic:

I think a good vocal synth song comes from at least two areas. First (though possibly less-importantly), that the lyrics are written well, and in a way that both clearly and artistically attempts to convey ideas that are important to the producer. Second, that the music be good--that it embodies the appropriate mood, has an appropriate energy flow that shifts and moves through the different parts of the song, and has both constant elements that hold the song together and elements that vary and make the song change pleasingly over time.