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Serious question:

Have you ever heard a cover so good of a vocaloid that you keep listening that cover instead of the original?
Or a so well tunned cover that now you hear the original and think the tuning is kinda flat?

:sweetann_lili:
AddictiveCUL (Add)
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I guess most of my playlist are made from covers instead of originals and a lot of them are Utaus XD It happens specially with niki, all niki songs I preffer covers over the original because I think their Lily isn't strong enough for their songs. Here are some covers I preffer over the original:






Just from CUL I have a lot
Mika
Mika
seeing covers with Gahata Meiji is giving me such nostalgia omg, I was OBSESSED with any cover with her!!
These are also just so damn good

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@Mika I know, right?! Gahata is so cool, I love her voice! T3T
what is with the jp fandom's allergy to male voices? i kno it's more male dominated but that still doesn't explain it fully, en male vocaPs don't have *such* an aversion
especially in songs like unfriendly hater, where the characters are supposed to be guys but they're still voiced by kafu and miku, which is just,, what?
augh, i dont like how busy i have been lately... i have cleaned up my vbs enough for xed's bday but i dont think i can get out a video with demos all tonight... i am always so indecisive when it comes to the covers themselves too
Mix practicing, with rock song, there is 2 part with difference approach, first one is more aggressive, second one is very close to original.

Original song from niki



Rock song is not my strong suit so i think it's nice to step outside of comfort zone for better learning.
IO+
IO+
Thank you for the feedback response!

The first track i put more emphasis on attack of the snare and oomph of the kicks, i feel like guitar is quite dominant so i pull mid frequency out of the side channel by a tiny bit like -0.4/-0.6 dB (very wide Q) and mid channel out a little bit just 1dB (Q factor is a little wide) i think attack of the snare and meat of the kicks should come up (which it does).
I still think snare need a little more work but the song itself is quite full already and it will get brighter when it louder so i don't have much option. I decided to use clipper to chop the peak of the snare to get more attack. This may sound counter-intuitive, chopping the click sound off to get more click. . . but it work.

The second track i didn't do much, mostly a tiny eq correction and done, this track is already great from the start. I don't think putting more plugins would improve anything so i leave it as it is.
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In the first one I feel the sound is more fuller, I guess you would need a little more of work on the vocals to make them sit well in the mix, but it's definetly sounds like the "right choice".

The second one I feel like it is easy to hear that there is a spot for the voice to sit on, what is pretty good, but I like the huge instrumentals more.

Both are incredible tho, love your mixing skills! *3

Btw, I always follows the rule "Don't mess with what is already mixed" bc I'm a newbie. But hearing your results I think I should try messing with it too XD Thanks for the insight.
IO+
IO+
Thank you for the feedback! The first one is sound very similar to the cover i made Here and i realize that i made a mistake, so i start to practicing with this song again.

Btw, I always follows the rule "Don't mess with what is already mixed" bc I'm a newbie. But hearing your results I think I should try messing with it too XD Thanks for the insight.
My advice is to believe in yourself, make a move and commit to the decision you made. I made a mistake too. . . A lot of it. Just like anyone else's but i respect my decision and if some thing wrong i will or at least try to correct my mistake.
Let's say, you spend sometime mixing a song and in the end it's doesn't sound right, you can simply remove all plugins!
when will yamaha add pitch editing directly on the notessss importing synthv tuning can only do so much (and it's usually off-key on the vocaloids anyway) :ring_ani_lili:
Piapro editor and new version of vocaloid still stuck with a crude CC values, There is some claims with one of the developer's inside interview book (2020-2021). That old CC values is more than enough for fine adjustment. In my opinion they are not wrong but these 80s standard won't last long anyway. Even a free editor like OpenUtau they already improve the parameters significantly similar to SynthV that the parameters have such a massive headroom to the point that "stairs step" no longer exists. Isn't that a tiny details is what we are so obsessed with?

It's not a big deal however. Sometimes i just wonder why they just stuck there. It must have a reasons.
At this point I'm going to make a video titled "(ACME IKU'S GROWL'S JUSTICE AI NT+) Really realistic vocaloid tuning practice oh my god guys it's not RVC" and it's just going to be a render of some random vsq I downloaded with a v4loid on deep GEN but with a really heavy vibrato filter over it from my DAW.
Maybe I'll apply random voice cracks, key changes, vocal fry, growl and xsy on it to make it really authentic.
...I don't have time for that, so feel free to use this idea.
oh gosh its my first utau's bday on wednesday... i cant believe it has been 8 years. i think i may be cancelling Mex and just update Xed again tbh. not sure. i kinda like the idea of just keeping one utau, since i have no plans to get further involved with utau past one voice tbh
i think every vocaloid should have an official sakura version. why do only miku and piko get to have all the pink fun??
This is sort of related to @IO+'s profile post, but it ended up being a little off-topic:

I think a good vocal synth song comes from at least two areas. First (though possibly less-importantly), that the lyrics are written well, and in a way that both clearly and artistically attempts to convey ideas that are important to the producer. Second, that the music be good--that it embodies the appropriate mood, has an appropriate energy flow that shifts and moves through the different parts of the song, and has both constant elements that hold the song together and elements that vary and make the song change pleasingly over time.
The beautiful part of hobbies is to take a sweet time to learn and actually enjoy whatever they like and make a thoughtful investment for what they really need but these day i feel like peoples focusing on buying what their community expect them to buy. Hype can make peoples desperate.

It's not my business to tell peoples how to use their saving. I just think that it's crazy how peoples today are so desperate for attention.

I didn't mean or attempt to rant or venting out, just curious. What and why it go or it end up this way.
MillyAqualine
MillyAqualine
Also the double standards that has been with loops, where some seem to be able to use loads of them in a song yet people like me have tried to do it in the past in a first time to finally have a beautiful music and learn how to align things so it doesn't end up as a warbled mess, and we were said it was bad to do so (again those were UTAU elitists so that doesn't even surprise me to see such an inconsistent mindset)

Add to this the fact it's the same genres that tend to take the lead because they're the most spammed and you get users wanting desperately to get noticed so they go the extra mile to appeal instead of doing what they really want to do at core (except for those who love said genres, then it doesn't revolve around them since they're already in their elements so it isn't the same approach)



Also while I won't deny I've kinda overdid it lately for the past one year and a half, it still kinda makes me ill-at-ease to see loads of sales even though it's way better than in the past since it permits people to buy their synths without sacrifying their monthly wage or wait for billion of years to be able to buy the synth they want.... But yeah, while some like me can hold back and say "well, too bad for X/Y/Z I will buy them when i can have a better situation since it's gonna be too tough for the on-going period" as I've been doing since my last purchase back in late February because of life, but other people may ruin themselves, and I've noticed some were even younger (some are barely out of minor age) splurge loads of money at a bigger frequence than i've been doing in my massive buying short period and yeah, as you said people do whatever they want with their earnings and savings, but everyone should keep in my mind what they buy can be considered as a sort of luxury item like a jewel or very fine-end delicacy
IO+
IO+
I forgot to mention that this is not just about vocal-synths relate problem though, it seem to happen to bascially any community.

Add to this the fact it's the same genres that tend to take the lead because they're the most spammed and you get users wanting desperately to get noticed so they go the extra mile to appeal instead of doing what they really want to do at core (except for those who love said genres, then it doesn't revolve around them since they're already in their elements so it isn't the same approach)
It seem to be this way, unfotunately.
In my opinion if people have put more faith in their style and stick to their own road map, it will more worth it in the end. I teach a lot of peoples, guide them, push them whenever i can either directly or indirectly but not many people really success. I just wanted to speak out of bottom of my heart here, because 95% of people i help they don't have the will and commitment to make a different. Commitment is very important and i can't stress this enough. I teach peoples how to mixes, how to make musics. They learn and do pretty well actually but they didn't even try to make the best out of it. Although, it just a covers song. Sure, there is a disposable quality to cover songs but that doesn't mean they can't make the best mix or at least try to make the best one. I always said, treat the listeners with utmost respect by give them the best listening experience. Hell..no. They don't even respect the deadline. Never finish anything. I feel like it's a complete waste of time if i try to lend a hand.
IO+
IO+
Something about vocal-synth/music producers community, that whenever a newcomers asking about what vbs or plugins they should get, i feel like i'm the only one who say, NO. Try the free one first. I just want peoples to asking themselves first and decided that this is the hobby that they are actually looking for. I saw a lot of teenage newcomers that just wanted to be the part of community with little understanding and then people start to pouring list of vbs/plugins they should get, and i was like "are you guys crazy?" it just so wrong on many level.

I hate to see people throw money at problem or buy their way out. This is not how it work.
If anyone has or can find an off vocal for 星雨之夜 (night of rain and stars) by ilem I would be eternally grateful I found one on baidu but I can't make an account ;-;
I made a YT short covering building a basic vocal effects chain, with compression and reverb. Mainly because I've been dabbling in Shorts a little to see if they can help grow a channel, but also because one of the things that bothers me about some covers I come across is raw vocals that just have their volume turned up.

vocaloid things you're certain will absolutely never happen?

for me, avanna talk, or a talk version of any other zero-g-loid. pretty sure zero-g is a music software company and has zero interest in making talk voicebanks for its singers (vocatone on the other hand...i can imagine them making talk voicebanks for theirs tbh. same with ruby's team, and maybe pfx as it seems al and ann are getting maghni voicebanks)

this is mostly a bummer for prima because i don't think anyone speaks in a sung opera tone??? like, avanna's obviously sung too, but she's clear in articulation and her voice is a bit closer to a "normal voice" one would speak in

it'd just be cool to have english-language character talk voices, especially in non-american accents as american accents dominate global voice acting (e.g. anime and game dubs, as opposed to local programs like BBC in the UK and RTE in Ireland)